Good Heavens these lunatics don’t care how insipidly stupid they sound. They simply change their tune depending upon what is currently happening and disregard their previous idiocy.
Currently, much of the northern hemisphere is suffering from unusually cold weather. Climate-phrenologists, instead of admitting that they are clueless as to why this is happening invent wild speculative theories in order to blame the weather on global warming. From the Guardian…. (of course)
Scientists link frozen spring to dramatic Arctic sea ice loss
Climate scientists have linked the massive snowstorms and bitter spring weather now being experienced across Britain and large parts of Europe and North America to the dramatic loss of Arctic sea ice.
Yeh? So, lack of Arctic sea ice causes the snow and cold? Let’s look at the ice this year. Now, there were examples of isolated extreme weather events prior to the cold spring which is gripping much of the northern hemisphere, but, as I said, they were isolated.
So, the lack of ice, which we have more of now than a couple of months ago, is causing the cold and snow which we didn’t have a couple of months ago. It all makes perfectly good sense.
It must be a brand new phenomena. The warming spring of 2011 in Europe was blamed on….. global warming.
Meanwhile, continental Europe had an unusually warm spring and autumn in 2011. This was partly the result of westerly winds bringing warm air from the tropics, but these circulation patterns cannot explain all the heat. “It wouldn’t have been that unusual without the long-term warming,” says Stott.
They must have had lots more ice two years ago. What else can we glean from past comments?
“Higher spring and summer temperatures, along with an earlier spring melt, are also the primary factors driving the increasing frequency of large wildfires and lengthening the fires season in the Western U.S. over recent decades,” they summarize. “The record-breaking fires this year in the Southwest and Rocky Mountain region are consistent with these trends.”
Oddly enough, we finished the year with a near record low of the amount of fires we had last year. Still, we must have had lots of sea ice last year to have a warm spring with an early melt!!!
Both the extent and the volume of the sea ice that forms and melts each year in the Arctic Ocean fell to an historic low last autumn, and satellite records published on Monday by the National Snow and Ice Data Centre (NSIDC) in Boulder, Colorado, show the ice extent is close to the minimum recorded for this time of year.
Hmm, the NSIDC…. now where have I heard of that outfit before…… hmm. Oh, yeh! That was the same outfit that thought ice was melting in below 0 deg C temps! No, no. There’s no need to question their scientific prowess just because they don’t know the melting temperature of H2O, is there? Let’s go ask some other climate scientists just in case. Oh, look there’s one from Rutgers now!!!
“The sea ice is going rapidly. It’s 80% less than it was just 30 years ago. There has been a dramatic loss. This is a symptom of global warming and it contributes to enhanced warming of the Arctic,” said Jennifer Francis, research professor with the Rutgers Institute of Coastal and Marine Science.
Wow!!!! 80% less than 30 years ago!!! I had no idea!!!! That’s a huge decline!!!! But, in the off chance our new friend, Jennifer Francis a research professor with the Rutgers Institute of Coastal and Marine Science, may be related to the mental giants at NSIDC, we should check the numbers.
Yesterday, satellite measurements say our extent is at 14.84049 million sq km. Wow, the sea ice must have been…… calculating ….. gusintas …… carry the zero….. hmm….. seems it was about 74 million sq km 30 years ago. Let me check again….. the ice extent measurement for Mar 26, 1983 was 15.92286 million sq km. Well, it looks like Jennifer Francis is now qualified to work for the government at NSIDC. That’s about a 7% reduction in ice for this time of year.
Last March, the UnChristian Unscience Monitor monitor said this……
A recent study by the Brookings Institution shows that unusually warm winter weather has made climate-change converts out of many Americans. Unseasonable temperatures are continuing with warm spring weather in much of the United States. In Washington DC, which just recorded its warmest winter, the famed cherry blossoms have opened two weeks early.
Maybe the US was hogging all of the sea ice which surely must have been present last spring because lack of sea ice causes cold and snow!! The UnChristian Unscience Monitor also had this to say……
Warm spring weather can help convince Americans that global warming is happening and a problem. But scientists must change the way they talk about this subject. They must leave their ivory towers and learn to speak about climate change in a language that people understand.
They could start by familiarizing themselves with some very basic science and math skills. They might even wish to try a bit of honesty to go along with it.
source is same as above.
Tom Nelson gives us this GEM!
“SEA ICE CAN BE THIN ENOUGH TO AVOID DETECTION BY SATELLITE SENSORS BUT THICK ENOUGH TO STOP SHIPS.” WALT MEIER, NATIONAL SNOW AND ICE DATA CENTER. AUG. 14, 2012.
LOL, yeh! As Lat points out, it’s their “improved” method of detection. 😀
>15% or >30% equals 100% depending on which service you want to believe.
Try that stuff with your bank some time!
More Cli-sci math.
More Cli-sci math.
Ideologists don’t use workable math….
BTW, if the ice is thick enough to stop a ship, then Walt and his crew at NSIDC are worthless if the can not see it.
AFAIAC they are a waste of taxpayers money along with all the rest of the “Climate Researchers”!
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Snickerin
I went over there to help matters along but now I am being “pre moderated”. Seems I am a bad boy sitting at the back of the class and taking the piss out of teacher.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/mar/25/frozen-spring-arctic-sea-ice-loss?commentpage=1
mind you the numbnuts over there are way beyond salvation as facts seem to unsettle them.
LOL, that it does! I haven’t commented at the Guardian for sometime. But, it is fun to rattle them from time to time.
🙂
Mr Homewood has a good read!
EPA …AGAIN
http://www.buffalonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130325/CITYANDREGION/130329394/1002
Looking for my link to EPA Feeds Econuts…to go with this.
Hope you find it because I’m thinking about posting on it, but I lost it when my ‘puter crashed.
http://www.nppc.org/2013/02/epa-releases-confidential-farm-data/
http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2013/02/20/pork-producers-troubled-by-release-of-data-to-activist-groups
http://blogs.law.nyu.edu/privacyresearchgroup/2013/03/privacy-act-and-freedom-of-information-act/
FOIA…..
http://www.ammoland.com/2013/03/climategate-leaker-our-civilization-is-being-killed-by-lying-science-elitists/#axzz2Og2GOnxh
7 is close to 80 (if you are counting to a million).
My guess is that they were comparing our recent summer, to a winter 30 years ago. It would not be the first time alarmotardologists have done this.
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Is this ever going to end? Surely someone in the MSM will realise this is all complete madness!
James. Another good rebuttal/report = Slap down. I’m lovin it!
Thanks guys! These imbeciles just make it too darned easy.
On our TV news they had this last night…it is really cold in US and Europe but its all due to global warming melting the Arctic etc. In the last year or so there’s been more of this – completely unbelieveable stuff spouted to try and justify the unjustifiable. Over at Bishop Hill the Bishop is reporting yet more hysterical attacks on David Rose’s articles about temperature flatlining for the last 16 years. We have the same here. Yesterday the (Oz) Climate Institute put out a press release saying that “Asia leads the way on climate action” and Australia is a climate sinner far behind. Are you kidding me? We have the highest carbon tax of just about anyone and the aluminium metal which used to be produced in a smelter in my town is now produced by Chinese companies in China.
Acts 7:57 all over again. We don’t like what you say so we’ll stick our fingers in our ears and yell at the tops of our voices. And we’ll stone you David Rose and anyone else who is so inconsiderate as to tell the truth!
it’s easy really…
The lack of ice is because it’s warmer…..then that warmer humid air falls south because it heavier….and runs into frigid/freezing air coming up from the Caribbean….and that’s what makes snow
…..course the morons didn’t realize when they were saying that…..there might have been less ice, but the air temp was below freezing….freezing air holds a lot of moisture
They just run in some unbelievable circles trying to attach the weather de jour to their imbecilic thoughts.
The Warm/Cold (why do you leave out the Wet/Dry) was “in the pipeline” ready to come out when necessary.
“why do you leave out the Wet/Dry….”
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Dr. Syme, our expert lexicologist informed me that some of the snow was a dry snow so we didn’t want to conflate the various forms of wetdry. 🙂
But, yes, they dust off warmcold and wetdry when the weather conditions call for it.
When I looked on the Guardian website one of the commenters came up with this:
It is clearly meant to worry people. Clearly there is some lying statistics going on here, but effective.
Ian, sorry about the wait in moderation. Welcome.
I don’t dispute the general decline in the arctic ice. I would dispute it causing cold weather and snow storms….. especially when 1 or two years ago the nutters said it was the cause for warm weather and the lack of snow.
And, no, it isn’t that effective if one looks at the larger picture and understands that the arctic ice isn’t all that meaningful. …….
I made this from the data provided by the Polar Science Center: http://psc.apl.washington.edu/wordpress/research/projects/arctic-sea-ice-volume-anomaly/
There are no “lying statistics” going on at all – the data are faithfully represented and the graph is what it is. You can download the data from the URL above and duplicate it yourself with Excel.
The reality of Arctic sea ice loss is astounding and worrying, and I make no attempt to disguise it, nor exaggerate it. You can follow observations and discussion on Neven’s Arctic Sea Ice blog, http://neven1.typepad.com
ahaveland, welcome. Which graph are you referencing? As a note, volume sort of conflates the issues as they relate to our weather patterns and the mechanisms they’re trying to describe.
This graph: http://haveland.com/share/arctic-death-spiral-1979-201302.png
Same data in linear form here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GetB-xs9D_A
Having followed Arctic science and watched it evolve for over a decade, I’m convinced that we are too late, and just have to watch and deal with the consequences of an increasingly ice-free and greener Arctic: mutated jet stream, thermohaline disruption, permafrost thaw, methane outgassing and ultimately clathrate destabilization, rapid sea level rise and mass extinctions.
For all its intelligence, humanity seems incapable of finding the brakes, and chooses decimation instead because survival is too expensive for a few.
The question becomes – ice free since when? We already have pictures of the arctic from the 50s that indicated the Arctic was short on ice cubes then.
ahaveland says:
April 2, 2013 at 8:42 am
“I’m convinced that we are too late, and just have to watch and deal with the consequences”
If that statement were true – wouldn’t you be trying to sell us survival foods / supplies?
Wow! Jumps right from ice melt to man caused disaster. He must be a genius! 😆
OIC…… sorry about the wait, for some reason I had to rescue your comment from the spam bucket. It shouldn’t have done that.
ahave, we’ve been hearing about the impending doom of the world via the arctic decline for the last 2 or 3 decades. Really, the arctic ice isn’t that important.
I’m convinced the ice was much less in times past. We humans farmed barely on Greenland. The jet stream hasn’t mutated. We have exactly as much snow fall as we’ve had for the last 40 years. Some years are snowier and colder than other years. It’s been exactly like that for mine and your entire lives.
https://suyts.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/image_thumb252.png?w=636&h=410
Don’t worry about the methane, it doesn’t have a half life to make any difference, not that it would anyway. https://suyts.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/serious-question-can-someone-please-explain-the-thoughts-behind-the-methane-is-20-xs-more-powerful-than-co2-meme/
Besides, you don’t have to worry any longer about that. We’ve new science that tells us a warmer world which melts ice causes more ice!!! https://suyts.wordpress.com/2013/04/01/climate-nutters-go-full-stupid-suddenly-forget-laws-of-physics-antarctic-ice-growing-because-heat-is-lingering-at-depths/
Again, sorry about the wait in the spam bucket. .
“We humans farmed barely on Greenland.”
And barely barley at that! 😉
Well, with those closed replies, I’m not going to outstay my welcome and get bogged down in a futile discussion. We’ll find out soon enough what will happen.
ahaveland, you’re always welcome, here. It’s a motley crew, but we’re open enough to read what you have to offer. Ideally, you would be, as well.
Be sure to hurry back!
Well, with those alarmist claims, I’m glad you are not going to outstay your welcome and learn something. We’ll find out soon enough what will happen.
@ahaveland: “Having followed Arctic science and watched it evolve for over a decade …”
Stop and think about that for a minute. One decade on the scale of geologic time is a blip. Climate cycles operate on time scales much longer than that. I see far too much of this from your side of the discussion. Satelties essentially started measuring Arctic ice when it was at a 30 year maximum, so of course there is going to be a decline. When you are at the top of a mountain, the only way to go is down.
We will find out. However, that is a non sequitur. The questions are: What is causing it? And SHOULD anything be done?
Until those 2 questions can be answered, the rest is pure sophistry.
Once we awaken to the reality of official lies disguised as consensus science, we no longer need study the propaganda documents in detail, . . .
trying to find some rational basis for the conclusions.