Is there anyone else tired of the crying about voter ID laws? Is there anyone else tired of the illogical claims of racism? Is there anyone else tired of the lies claiming there’s no evidence of voter fraud? Do leftards not understand how ridiculous that claim makes them look? It’s 4+ stupid. And, it’s easily refuted, by leftards themselves. Here’s a couple of tips in dealing with a few of these fallacies.
Tip one: When a leftard states there’s never been any evidence of voter fraud, ask them about Bush in Ohio and Florida and Wisconsin. Like the monkey with the fruit in the jar, they won’t be able to control themselves and will always…… walk into to that and state Bush stole those elections. (Note: As usual there’s a caveat to “always”. Some leftards are so oblivious they don’t know the details of the recounts in which fraud was claimed by their own leftist friends.)
Tip two: If the leftard is capable of simple if/then concepts (note: this excludes the vast majority of leftards) , then a simple logic discussion could follow. The claim is there is no voter fraud. —- Okay, we know there are millions of illegal and legal immigrants in this country who do not have the right to vote in our elections. Without voter ID laws, how do we know there is no voter fraud? If there are millions in this country who do no have the right to vote and we don’t question their identity at the booth, then how do we know they aren’t voting? The answer is, they don’t.
Tip three: There is always that age old ploy of demonstrating that voter fraud has occurred and people have been prosecuted for fraud. But, this rarely works on a leftard, but other people may be reading so there’s that…….
The claims there is no voter fraud is hilarious considering that just a few years ago the Dems were screaming “voter fraud”. Were they lying then or are they lying now? In spite of claims from both sides, the fact is without voter ID laws, we’ll never know how many are engaging in voter fraud. The claim there is no voter fraud is incredibly fallacious. Now, many leftards are simply so simple minded that they’re not intentionally lying, they’re simply parroting what others have stated without thinking.
The people who do know better, yet claim otherwise are intentionally subverting our democratic process. This is a clear assault on the constitutional democracy we call the United States. The desire to destroy this constitutional democracy and turn it to a state of despotism is truly a despicable act. The claims there is and has been no voter fraud can not go unchallenged. We should challenge it each and every time it is mentioned. It is very disturbing to see fellow citizens so dedicated to ensuring our democracy be left in question. It displays their dedication to ideology over country and countrymen. I believe there are many more people in this country dedicated to the principles of liberty and democracy that we can engage these people and remove their voices of hate from the discourse of this nation.
suyts space 
Democrat voter fraud is common in the People’s Democratic Republic of the State of Washington.
Jim
That’s why I included the bottom pic. I thought it ironically funny.. 3 of these signs came from dem leaning blogs crying about voter fraud in past elections. But, now they claim there never has been.
Washington has gone to nearly 100% mail-in ballots, so voter ID is a moot point here. They used to offer driver’s licenses at polling stations. It’s where illegal aliens could easily get their (false) ID. What were illegal aliens doing at polling stations? Voting, of course.
America is such a great country. In no country I visited did I ever get invited to cast a vote in the local election. Such hospitality!
Dirk, just mail your vote in, 1/2 of us don’t care. Just pick a state.
Yea, the Gregoire Standard is well known.
Reblogged this on Climate Ponderings.
Demonrats always smile when they drive by graveyards, the home of their most loyal constituents.
Editorial note: It is unnecessary to place ‘illogical’ in between ‘democrats’, and ‘arguments’, it is redundant. 😉
Ha ha ha ha 🙂
Lol, very nice. 🙂
In this part of the country, the almost dead and dead vote to sometimes:
http://www.caller.com/news/2012/jul/06/allegations-voter-fraud-jim-wells-brooks-counties/
ALICE — There are about 325 supercentenarians in the country and 79th District Attorney Armando Barrera finds it hard to believe 18 of them voted in the Brooks County primary in May.
In a petition to contest the election filed Friday, Barrera lists 18 voters who were all born on either Jan. 1, 1900, or Jan. 1, 1901, making each of them more than 110 years old.
Wow, spry old duffs!
Well at least sth-txs provided something that supports james contention.
Don’t have time to really go into this deeply, but james you are comparing apples and oranges. The voter fraud you are talking about is individuals who are NOT american citizens fraudulently voting. the fraud that the Dems are talking about is removing or disposing of ballots that have been cast or preventing people from voting by limiting voting stations or other bureaucratic means. The voter fraud in FL during 2000 was absolutely clear. the butterfly ballot had thousands voting for Buchanan in a democratic leaning jewish area of Florida. Here is just one piece of “voter fraud” perpetrated against legal US citizens
http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/vote2000/report/ch2.htm. It is called disenfranchisement and it has been clearly documented repeatedly. In NH republican operatives were convicted of a phone jamming scandal to prevent people from going to the polls.
Here is a case of a republican saying that his party actively searched for ways to little minority voting
http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/national/jim-greer-denounces-florida-republican-party-officials-as-liars-and/1242157
the difference is that is is hard to hide an organized attempt for large scale individual voter fraud of illegal aliens or other non citizens. Whereas if one controls the logistical levers it is easier to hide large scale voter disenfranchisement by officials who are intent on doing it.
As I recall The firing of All those US Attorneys, one clearly for not pursuing voter fraud claims that he had investigated as being baseless.
the reason that these voter ID laws are dangerous is because they instantly disenfranchise thousands of voters without actually determining if they are all disqualified from voting. it is a very easy thing to do, and it clearly impacts minorities who tend to vote much more democratic
Show me some investigations that have turned up any conspiracy that involved even hundreds of people voting illegally and I will consider that this is at least an issue worth looking at. But even in that case the state has the responsibility to make SURE that all citizens qualified to vote be able to do so. Some of the voter cleansing laws are going into effect without enough time for people to correct them if they are worngly excluded
Did you click on my links? It has already been demonstrated.
Tony, I’m surprised you commented seeing that voter fraud is so prevalent near you. Tony, you can’t cash a check without an ID. We literally have millions of people here who are not eligible to vote. You demonstrate a way to ensure we can achieve a demonstrable legal and fair election without an ID mandate and I’ll get behind your idea.
To pretend people will not vote because it is illegal demonstrates, at best a naivety, at worse, a desire to subvert the democratic process of this country.
Yes there might have been 100 cases of voter fraud so we should definitely try to stop over 1 million legal citizens from voting – after all those minorities lean left!
Exactly what you said pHDouche, there would be no stopping legal citizens from voting if they are legal. BWAAAAAHAHAHAHA
Where and how do you believe there would be 1 million legal voters prevented from voting? Again, one can’t cash a check without proper ID. One can’t buy a car or rent or purchase property or well, anything…. what is it, who is it that is stopped from voting who doesn’t have some form of identification which defines them as a legal citizen?
Before anyone answers this, I should let people know, I had a house fire which took all of my documents. Birth cert, passport, drivers license, SS card, I had nothing. In less than a year I had a license, proof of residence, and a SS card. Who, exactly, is being prevented from voting?
A guarantor, and most likely multiple guarantors had to vouch for you and who you are for legal and financial reasons.
Yes…. there are a plethora of ways one can be identified as legally being a citizen. What is striking to me, is that most of the left applaud the actions of the state when people who actually wish to withdraw are hunted and killed as in the case of Ruby Ridge and Waco.
True to form, they wish dead people the right to vote. But, try to let some of those people who wish to withdraw from society and reject a drivers license and other forms of identification, we will kill them, but we’ll make sure they have the right to vote…… posthumously.
PhdScientist, how does a voter ID law stop one million legal citizens from voting? If that were the case, the European social democracies who without exception have voter ID laws would be deeply undemocratic, but at the same time, your leader Obama sees us as the shining example with regard to our redistributive, ultraliberal, secular societies.
Can you clarify for me how the EU member states keep millions of their voters from voting through their laws? Because there is a strange silence in the newspapers here on the continent – neither the German, nor the French, nor the Dutch papers are reporting about this blatant voter disenfranchisement.
What’s the situation with minoirities that they don’t have ID or can’t get ID? What makes them different than any other person going through life? Are they just too dumb, lazy or stupid to realize they need an ID?
Strawman – please document where any ONE legal citizen eligible to vote (convicted felons are not eligible to vote) has been denied their right to vote.
Go ahead, we will wait. But not for long.
There were several hundred fraudulent votes in a TN State legislature election a few years ago, enough that the entire Senate election was tossed. A lot of deceased voted.
Apparently, we don’t worry about that…….
Mississippi, several people in prison for organized voter fraud.
How are minorities “instantly disqualified”? Why, in Georgia, could they not produce one person who was incapable of getting an ID? Where are these people? Bring them forward and let them tell us WHY they can’t get an ID.
Hahah oh MeDouch (lol i love 16 yo insults) – proving what small mind you have again! You’re right all those studies about legal citizens without the appropriate ID are simply false! We don’t want to believe them therefore they aren’t true – kind of like evolution huh?!?
BWAAAHAHAHAHA yeah you are a douche! 😆
I have seen ALLEGATIONS of those studies. I have yet to see a case where any were ennumerated. I am fully aware of the false argument of “everyone does it, so it must be so”. However, that does not fly in a debate. Evidence is necessary. Yet you have never produced any. Why? Could it be that is completely contrary to your usual quiver of useless ad hominems and pejoratives? Most assuredly so.
Fraud exists. It has been documented, prosecuted and demonstrated. Voter ID denial of voting does not exist. It has not been documented, prosecuted or demonstrated. It has only been alleged. But as we all know, to simple minded liberals, it is not the evidence that counts, but the seriousness of the charges – no matter how empty those charges are.
Hahaha. What’s even funnier to me is I remember Suyts (“Mr Independent”) trying to convince all of us that “Me” is really a smart guy – he just likes to antagonize. “Me” point me to anything intelligent you’ve posted on this board? I’d love to read it! I’m still not convinced you can spell your own name – hence your handle here “Me”.
HEHEHEHEHEHE, I remember you doing most of that, it’s good fer yer sole to confess to it all I guess! BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Haha almost to your bed time “Me”…How’s summer camp going anyway? I thought they banned the internet at fat camp this year to get the kids out playing and burning those calories?
Tell us how that is working out fer ya? 😆 Since you told us so much other things here pH! BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
Oh! So now you claim you have been pwned by TWO children! You just dig your own cess pool deeper with each attempt at childish insults.
I never recall Suyts saying he was Mr. Independent. I do recall him extending you every courtesy even when faced with your petty insults and pejoratives. Me can speak for himself, and actually does a very good job of it.
After all, he has turned you once again into a blithering idiot. You have now been pwned by a child, and by your own admission, someone not very smart. I guess you take pride in being made a fool of.
“I do recall him extending you every courtesy even when faced with your petty insults and pejoratives.”
Thank you, Phil
Hahaha still fat and stupid, I see! Phil here’s the thing buddy… You can’t make any claims assessing the accuracy or legitimacy of any argument I’ve made because you are an illogical, unreasonable, ideologue. In the end it’s all he-said she-said and on this one-sided blog the prevailing wisdom is if a couple of your buddies pat you on the back then your opinion is now scientific fact. I could show you a scientific study refuting something you said and the response is simply “there are so many problems with this study, it’s not real.” But it was published in one of the top ranking international journals: response “I don’t care it’s crap and besides Me, Suyts, the janitor and the electrician disagree therefore it’s not fact!.”
So you see buddy, while many months ago I thought this place might have been a somewhere for intelligent debate, you quickly showed me that was not the case. Now I just come here for the entertainment. It’s like a car wreck, you don’t want to look, you know you shouldn’t, but you just have to!
P.S. Me has turned me into a blithering idiot – you say, but I’m sure in that childish exchange “ME” came across as very professional and intelligent, right? See why no one can take anything you say seriously?
Still the blithering idiot. You have never met me, yet insist upon calling me fat and boy -the former I guess in reference to what type of little boys you like to diddle with, and the latter in reference to may race, which you love to denigrate since you are a true racist.
My post, while not sugar and cream, contained no juvenile ad hominems. Yet that is exactly how you start yours. Why? Everyone can see you never have any facts, points or salient comments, instead you act like seagullul – fly in, crap on everything, and then fly out.
That is your choice. But I will tell you Adam Smith, that you are only making a fool of yourself. As I stated, you have been pwned by 2 children now. Your naked hatred, racism, and ignorance is laughed at by all. And you childish attempts at insults are merely an indication of your lack of mental capacity.
Please, do not go away. We all can use the amusement you bring. You are the village idiot that provides the mirth for the rest of us.
Don’t worry ME, I’m sure all the boys will take a second look at you now after dropping all those pounds this summer!
And I’m sure you will feel better after it pH! LMAO!!!!!!!!
😀 HAHAHAHAHA
BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
Sigh.
Hey, I am not the one claiming to be a pHdouche, err I mean a PhDScientist errr something 😆
Yes, but, we do like to engage from time to time. I’m sure Ph is a nice guy, he just needs clarification.
I don’t see that happening to be honest, but in the future I’ll stay out if it.
Lol, I didn’t ask you to “stay out of it”.
“I’m sure Ph is a nice guy, he just needs clarification.”
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Sorry, I disagree.
certification is what he needs.
PhD(not) strongly resembles a troll I deal with on occassion, who goes by the name ‘Drewski’, among others. He once assumed the ID ‘Geologist’ in an attempt to give himself gravitas regarding a paper which he had not read, that was written by a real geologist.
I had already identified him, when he really let it slip by congratulating himself (“Keep up the good work Drewski”…) on a six month old blog post. What a maroon!
James, as always, has remained a gentleman and a scholar. 😉
He shatters his [ chosen ] persona.
PhD’s and Normal Scientists do not debate from emo – They debate from logic – and reference their claims.
😆
I’m waiting on an explanation on why minorities have a unique problem getting an ID. There must be something that only applies to them, preventing them from obtaining proper documentation. In many States, everybody must show an ID to buy booze, so maybe minorities are tee-totalers and don’t need an ID? It’s a mystery.
More homophobic insults. Typical and expected from a racist bigot,
Don’t forget fat-o-phobe, big boy!
Sorry, I do not do the naked dance with pedophiles. Try Sandusky. He is more to your liking.
I googled around for those studies PhD mentioned. Here is one from the Brennan center For Justice:
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/the_challenge_of_obtaining_voter_identification/
After that first step, I always google the name of the organisation and add Rockefeller.
http://www.rbf.org/grant/10960/william-j-brennan-jr-center-justice-inc-1
That step usually leads me to http://www.rbf.org. I love that site. It’s so easy to use.
“Nearly 500,000 eligible voters do not have access to a vehicle and live more than 10 miles from the nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. Many of them live in rural areas with dwindling public transportation options.”
Too bad those unfortunate souls will have to starve to death, as they cannot possibly get to the grocery store.
Ha a ha ha 🙂 I love their attempt at that piece of logic
I didn’t even read it. But if these people cannot make it to the ID-issuing office HOW are they supposed to make it to the polling booth? After all, they have all the time in the world to get themselves an ID but can’t make it; during the election they have only a few hours.
This sounds like such an impossible thing to do, one should turn it into a movie, maybe a reboot of I Am Legend. A godforsaken voter, alone in the wilderness.
AND THIS IS THE LOGIC FAIL OF THEIR ATTEMPT:
[“I didn’t even read it. But if these people cannot make it to the ID-issuing office HOW are they supposed to make it to the polling booth? After all, they have all the time in the world to get themselves an ID but can’t make it; during the election they have only a few hours.”]
Well said!
I believe it exposes the innate racism the left possesses. They are actually forwarding the notion that minorities are less capable of getting proper identification.
“I Am Legend. A godforsaken voter, alone in the wilderness.”…… ahahhaahaa!!!
Blech. They are just pretending to use logic to argue any old thing they need today – in this case, to have their activists be able to vote twice. Nothing to do with innate racism. They just wanna WIN.
See GIRLS why would I waste my time – please read my post to PhilJourdan above. You ideologues will simply dismiss anything you disagree with as untrue – it’s how I know none of you have any formal scientific training. And, it’s actually rather entertaining to watch.
Sorry I do not have time to go into this in detail
you have provided me with some evidence of actual voter fraud, and i don’t question it, no one however has bothered to respond to any of the actual points I made or the links supporting those points. And there are all sorts of assumptions and conclusions based on nothing but ideology in this thread. A bIG issue is removing voters from the voting records and not allowing any of those people to vote regardless of whether they are qualified, have id or not. And there has been no rebtuttal of my point of the much more serious issue of bureaucrats having access to disenfranchise voters. If I had more time I could find more and more instances to support my position, and we can have a good old fashioned google war, but since no one is willing to engage my arguments I probably wouldn’t do it anyway.
Both parties are guilty of gerrymandering in order to deny the real democratic process, the republicans much more so now and with no real defensible rational.
it is NOT racist to acknowledge that many minorities are poor and are not treated the same as good ole white people. The paper I linked to made that exceedingly clear in more than one case.The US constitution gives ALL citizens the right to vote, not just those that are deemed acceptable by those that run the voting.
Th voter ID laws are for the purpose of disenfranchising majority democratic voters, plain and simple. Yu can blather on and on about how ridiculous the idea of not having ID is, but there are many disabled, just plain stupid, or other circumstances that you are incapable of considering that impact how people are able to function in society. The idea behind it is not wrong, and I certainly have no objection to making voting as fraud proof as possible, but I want to do it in a way that does not prevent qualified voters from voting.
Tony, I’m sorry I haven’t been able to get back with you. You’re right, I haven’t responded well. As you can see, I’ve been a bit busy responding to other discussion points. Which, I had hoped you would join in.
The problem with you is why I enjoy your comments. It’s actual work to respond to you sometimes.
On this particular issue, I doubt we’ll see eye to eye, regardless of the google war outcome. I understand your position, it is weighted against mine, which is that we should do all that is possible to ensure no one votes who should not. And, only one vote per live person.
Now, if we could find some definitive way for these to concepts to be weighted against each other to find which is more important, then we’ll have our answer.
I do so like it when we agree!
No one responded because your post was a non-sequitur. Indeed, there is nowhere in the US where “removing voters from the voting records and not allowing any of those people to vote regardless of whether they are qualified, have id or not” occurs. As long as they are registered, they can vote. If they are removed from the rolls (most states have that provision if a person has not voted in so many years), they merely re-register. If they cannot take the time to register – they do not have the time to vote.
YOu have changed the subject from voter ID to registration. They are not the same thing. INdeed, most states have made it so easy to register, that the rolls are filled with illegals registered, but not eligible to vote. Hence the purges. And if you are registered, and are eligible, and have followed the law (like telling them when you move), then you are notified of the questions, and allowed to prove your elibility.
Thus there is no issue. Disenfranchising occurs when your vote is cancelled out by Che Guevera or Hugo Chavez.
Phil, please post links showing that the links I posted showing EXACTLY what I contended are incorrect. I did NOT change the subject I brought the subject to a relevant concern. Please read what I actually wrote.
Sure – as soon as you post a link. You have to register to vote. You move, you have to notify them. YOU cannot assume that just because you told your mamma you moved, the government automatically knows.
What your links show is that people were not registered at the time of the elections, and there was no “instant” registration. It does not show or prove that they were ever registered, deregistered, or why they were not registered.
I read it, I refuted it.
Next.
Phil,
read it again.
Now where did Suyts put that Outstanding button?????
Thank You! 🙂
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Tony Duncan says:
July 31, 2012 at 7:35 pm
The voter fraud in FL during 2000 was absolutely clear. the butterfly ballot had thousands voting for Buchanan in a democratic leaning jewish area of Florida. Here is just one piece of “voter fraud” perpetrated against legal US citizens
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There’s something about Florida 2000 that really drives Democrats crazy. The butterfly ballot was designed by a Democrat. Somehow when they stuffed the ballot box, the Democrat doing it got confused by the ballot too. In the end, it’s Republicans that get blamed. How does a Democrat designing a ballot make the Republicans the criminal?
Not to be out done, the news media (hardly a Republican stronghold of supporters) announced that Gore won the state before the polls in the panhandle closed. Now why did they do this? It’s to disenfranchise the military voters. There are several military bases in the Florida panhandle: NAS Pensacola, NAS Whiting Field, Eglin AFB, and a host of military support bases. I know because I flew out there as a Navy pilot. Considering when I’ve been in uniform it wasn’t the mean ol’ Republicans and conservatives who were spitting at me and giving me the one-finger wave, I find this attitude toward the military typical of Democrats.
Then the liberal-packed state Supreme Court got into the fray. They basically told Gore he’d get whatever he wanted, and they started to interfere with the recount. When the US Supreme Court told them to cut it out (a 9-0 decision, by the way), that really angered the Democrats. In an attempt to invalidate Bush’s election they referred to him as the “selected President.” Too bad Democrats don’t know the Constitution–all Presidents are selected–by the Electoral College.
Several newspapers/agencies tried to see if Gore really won the election by reviewing the ballots. They of course, found nothing to overturn the election. If they had, they would have made it a headline for weeks, months, or years even.
The Democrat dirty-trick department released news Bush’s old DUI arrest two days before the election. That affected the voters enough to bring Gore closer to the win.
So what really is going through the Democrats’ minds is that after all of their fraudulent attempts to steal the election, Bush still won. The only way that can happen is if the Republicans cheated too. There’s no proof of that, but we’re not talking about great logical thinkers here. That’s why the Democrats go crazy about Florida 2000. They should be ashamed and contrite about their obvious fraud and misbehavior, but Democrats are Democrats.
Jim
The irony is that if there was indeed voter fraud in Florida in 2000, it was done by the democrats. As Palm Beach county is a solid democrat enclave and the ballot was designed by democrats, and the election officers were all democrats. SO yes, Tony has a point. Democrats do commit voter fraud.
The sad part is no one needs to back track and read any of your posts. All of your posts are always the same. Juvenile ad hominems, school yard taunts, pedophelic rantings, and of course the obligatory racism and homophobia thrown in.
INdeed, your posts are so predictable, even a monkey could write it. And one wonders if a monkey is indeed writing them.
Some uneducated fool said this, after we had a good laugh about people who are allegedly too helpless to find their own front doors…
“See GIRLS why would I waste my time – please read my post to PhilJourdan above. You ideologues will simply dismiss anything you disagree with as untrue – it’s how I know none of you have any formal scientific training. And, it’s actually rather entertaining to watch.”
I studied Geology for six years, under the careful tutelage of the man who wrote the first nationally accepted textbook on the subject. I also was a student teacher for his class. After that, I spent time as a climatology student. That was three decades ago, and I have continued to keep up with the latest works in both fields.
I would dearly love for this poor deluded individual to show me how the scientific method applies to his claims.
When you boil down all his rantings, you find that indeed, he has no facts, no debating tactics, and no knowledge. He tries to create strawmen for you to flail against, and so he can then trap you. Yet even when someone bites on his strawmen, he falls apart in his rebuttal.
His only forte’ is racism and bigotry. That is evident by his constant use of racist language and juvenile ad hominems.
Next the left will argue that armed guards at banks, prevent the poor from getting to “their” money. 😉
A few years back, the left was complaining about ICE officers patrolling various polling sites. Why would voting US citizens have to worry about ICE?
Jim
“On July 17th, the Obama for America Campaign, the Democratic National Committee and the Ohio Democratic Party filed suit in OH to strike down part of that state’s law governing voting by members of the military. Their suit said that part of the law is “arbitrary” with “no discernible rational basis.”
Currently, Ohio allows the public to vote early in-person up until the Friday before the election. Members of the military three extra days to do so. While the Democrats may see this as “arbitrary” and having “no discernible rational basis”, I think it is entirely reasonable given the demands on servicemen and women’s time and their obligations to their sworn duty.
The National Defense Committee reports:
“For each of the last three years, the Department of Defense’s Federal Voting Assistance Program has reported to the President and the Congress that the number one reason for military voter disenfranchisement is inadequate time to successfully vote.”
Coming from a military family background, I can assure you this is no joke. We moved 8 times in 14 years. That meant acquiring a place in which to live, new ID’s for each new state or country, and registering each time.
I’m so very glad the left is defending our voting rights.