I know the enviro/CC/CAGW goons are anti-capitalist Marxist because they told me they were.
They Embrace Marxism And Hate Capitalism
“We redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy…Basically it’s a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization …One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore.”—–Ottmar Edenhoffer, high level UN-IPCC official
“Human society cannot basically stop the destruction of the environment under capitalism. Socialism is the only structure that makes it possible.”—Gus Hall, former leader of the Communist Party USA
“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?” – Maurice Strong, founder of the UN Environment Programme
“We must make this an insecure and inhospitable place for capitalists and their projects. We must reclaim the roads and plowed land, halt dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers and return to wilderness millions of acres of presently settled land.” – David Foreman, co-founder of Earth First!
“We reject the idea of private property.”—-Peter Berle, President of the National Audubon Society
“The capitalistic systems of economy follow the one principal rule: the rule of profit making. All else must bow down to this rule…The current USA is an example of a failed capitalistic state in which essential long-term goals such as prevention of climate change and limitation of human population growth are subjugated to the short-term profit motive and the principle of economic growth.”—-Jack Trevors, Editor-in-Chief of Water, Air, & Soil Pollution
“I think if we don’t overthrow capitalism, we don’t have a chance of saving the world ecologically,”—-Judi Bari, an American environmentalist and labor leader, a feminist, and the principal organizer of Earth First
“The goal now is a socialist, redistributionist society, which is nature’s proper steward and society’s only hope.”—-David Brower, a founder of the Sierra Club
“Now it is the least developed world who are not responsible for this climate change phenomenon that bore the brunt of climate change consequences so it is morally and politically correct that the developed world who made this climate change be responsible by providing financial support and technological support to these people.”—-UN chief Ban Ki-moon
“Free Enterprise really means rich people get richer. They have the freedom to exploit and psychologically rape their fellow human beings in the process…Capitalism is destroying the earth.”—–Helen Caldicott, an Australian physician and a leading member of the Union of Concerned Scientists
“A keen and anxious awareness is evolving to suggest that fundamental changes will have to take place in the world order and its power structures, in the distribution of wealth and income.”——Club of Rome
“Now is the time to draw up a master plan for sustainable growth and world development based on global allocation of all resources and a new global economic system. Ten or twenty years from today it will probably be too late.”—–Club of Rome
“A massive campaign must be launched to restore a high-quality environment in North America and to de-develop the United States…De-development means bringing our economic system (especially patterns of consumption) into line with the realities of ecology and the global resource situation…Redistribution of wealth both within and among nations is absolutely essential, if a decent life is to be provided for every human being.”—-John Holdren, President Obama’s science czar
“Radical change from the current trajectory is not an option, but an absolute necessity. Fundamental economic, social and cultural changes that address the root causes of poverty and environmental degradation are required and they are required now.”—Earth Charter, an environmental organization
“Funding from rich countries to help the poor and vulnerable adapt to climate change is not even one percent of what is needed. This glaring injustice must be addressed at Copenhagen in December [2009].”—–Barbara Stocking, chief executive of Oxfam in Britain
“A climate change response must have at its heart a redistribution of wealth and resources.”——Emma Brindal, a climate justice campaigner coordinator for Friends of the Earth
“The answer to global warming is in the abolition of private property and production for human need. A socialist world would place an enormous priority on alternative energy sources. This is what ecologically-minded socialists have been exploring for quite some time now.”—-Louis Proyect, Columbia University
“However it is achieved, a thorough reorganisation of production, consumption and distribution will be the end result of humanity’s response to the climate emergency and the broader environmental crisis.”——Walden Bello, leftist and founding director of Focus on the Global South
“The only way to prevent global ecological collapse and thus ensure the survival of humanity is to rid the world of Industrial Civilization…Unloading essentially means the removal of an existing burden: for instance, removing grazing domesticated animals, razing cities to the ground, blowing up dams and switching off the greenhouse gas emissions machine.”—–Keith Farnish, environmental writer, philosopher and activist
“Greed is the enemy – the underlying problem is greed, and that leads into most of the problems with the ecological system and the political system…I wish I could make a total redistribution [of wealth]…Things are going to change. They have to.”—-Paula Snyder, an America promoter of green causes
“Obama is already setting a new historic course by reorienting the economy from private consumption to public investments…free-market pundits bemoan the evident intention of Obama and team to ‘tell us what kind of car to drive’. Yet that is exactly what they intend to do…and rightly so. Free-market ideology is an anachronism in an era of climate change.”—–Jeffery Sachs, Columbia University, Director of The Earth Institute
“I would be remiss, as a scientist who studied this, if I didn’t mention the following two things: The first is that, most importantly, we need to do, as a society, in this country and globally, whatever we can to reduce population”…..”Our whole economic system is based on growth, and growth of our population, and this economic madness has to end.”—John Miller, a NOAA climate scientist
“An ecocatastrophe is taking place on earth…..discipline; prohibition, enforcement and oppression are the only solution.” “As for those “most responsible for the present economic growth and competition”, Linkola explains that they will be sent to the mountains for “re-education” in eco-gulags: “the sole glimmer of hope,” he declares, “lies in a centralised government and the tireless control of citizens.”—Pentti Linkola, a Finnish ecological philosopher
suyts space 
For a start, all socialistic luddite minded people should line up for voluntary sterilization. If this is too slow a process for them, voluntary suicide seems to be the next step. This may seem a little rash to some folks, but what the hell. Voluntary suicide??
The “how I know they are misanthropists” post is coming soon.
It has nothing to do with being a “luddite”. We can use high technology in a way that’s in balance with the planet we depend on for life. It has everything to do with the many many un-ignorable environmental catastrophes and crises that are ever piling up. Capitalism relies on an endless frontier for exploitation, and we are plainly running up against these boundaries as we type these words. Instead of eugenics, how about you actually come up with a non-nazi solution to arguments that you fear because you don’t understand. Here’s the solution: logical analysis. Rational consideration.
Malthusian thoughts are for the weak minded or used to hide misanthropy. Clearly, we are not “running up against” any such imaginary boundary.
only the wealthy have the luxury of caring for the environment.
only the wealthy THINK they have the luxury of NOT caring for the environment. They think they can build airlocks, underground chambers, that some magic technology will fix the ecological disasters which are making our planet unable to support life. In reality industrial capitalism will be the end of us if we continue to pursue this insane suicidal overexploitation. Industry and technology are fine, but in a capitalist framework of infinite growth addicted to profit, there is only one outcome: extinction.
I call Bull Shit on your entire fairy tale of destructive capitalism.
The hollow words of the people and beliefs you promote do not mean shit because their actions speak much louder than words.
If you look close enough you will find it is the socialist mindset that has lead to the destruction of the planet. A Conservative Capitalist cares more for humanity and the environment than the most ardent follower of the socialist movement. You just need to get your head out of your ass so you have a better view of reality. You need to start thinking for your self rather than follow your puppet master’s teachings.
Thank you for responding.
Now, If you are able to make such media-conditioned claims for “limiting” capitalism’s looting of the planet you haven’t read enough. And I know you might say, “you just follow the puppet masters in the books” but if you knew how to read properly, you would know how critical faculties are used to synthesize many different sources and analyze the biases inherent in an author, and to judge things by their own logic, not just deferring to authority because they have power or are coming out of a shiny box in your living room.
Now ask yourself if the inherent logic of this sentence makes sense, when it’s detached from any speaker: “capitalism relies on an infinite frontier for exploitation. it is a way of organizing the productive forces of society behind the sole motive of profit for a small group in control who reap all the benefits. we have only to look around the world to see the many disastrous effects uninhibited industrial capitalism for the sake of more infinite ‘growth’ has created.” My head isn’t “in my ass”, as your petty insult would have it, but I can see how you would be driven to claim that in order to restore psychological balance now that you’ve been upset by reality intruding on your escapist fantasy of using more industrial capitalism to solve the problem it has created. Here’s the thing, ultimately I’m not the one who is bringing this information to your attention. The facts of our objective reality are impinging on your fantasy world of “responsible capitalism”, not me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change
“[c]apitalism not only validates precapitalist notions of the domination of nature, . . . it turns the plunder of nature into society’s law of life. To quibble with this kind of system about its values, to try to frighten it with visions about the consequences of growth is to quarrel with its very metabolism. One might more easily persuade a green plant to desist from photosynthesis than to ask the bourgeois economy to desist from capital accumulation.”
Please make an argument based on reasoning instead of just throwing insults around, because unless you’re taken in by the american corporate-controlled embarassment media, “socialist” is not an insult anywhere else in the world. It means fundamentally, democratic control of the productive forces of our society, for the good of our society, instead of for the private profit of individuals who have proven unwilling, but more importantly *unable*, as tools of capitalism, to stop or even mitigate the environmental catastrophes, which are putting us on a course to the end of earth’s ability to support life.
Please explain to me your logic, now, of how capitalism can be used to fix this problem, and how a “socialist” mindset as you perceive it, has led us to the destruction we see all around us. Also please base this in your definition of “capitalism” and “socialism”
trichomes, that’s easy. First of all, capitalism benefits all of society, not just a select few, so the premise of many of you quotes are inherently wrong. We are all enriched by the machinations of capitalism. Ford? Edison? Microsoft? Apple? Well, I could go on and on. Nearly all of the things we enjoy today, things which have indisputably made humanities burden easier is due to capitalism.
Consider the electrification of the U.S. and how that extended our life expectancy.
Now, let’s consider how this effects the globes ecology…… the greatest enemy to our ecology is poverty. One only has to visit a third world nation to see the horrible toll poverty exacts on our ecology, and humanity all in one swoop.
Now, let’s consider the Malthusian aspect of the argument. That we’re somehow going to run out of stuff. I could venture down the technological aspect of consumption, that there is no limit to how we can better use the stuff God has granted us on this earth. But, instead, let’s consider the physical laws of our stuff. Tell me, can man make or destroy matter? Can man make or use energy? We simply move things about. We simply change the form of things.
Now, tell me what was it that you’re worried about? Are we concerned third world nations would start to prosper and thus be in a position to care for the flora, fauna, and earth? Or do we wish to sentence them to a life of hardship and strife all the while wreaking havoc on the regional ecology?
In a socialist/Marxist mechanism of shared wealth, there must be wealth to share, else, its simply a mechanism to spread despair.
James:
I do not include Microsoft and Apple in the Capitalist arena. They are more based on the socialist agenda. Their words and actions do not show capitalist leanings.
Trichomes:
I rely on logic rather than following any agenda as I walk through this world on my own path, rather than one laid before me by others. I was trained to be a neutral observer of all things.
In a market economy (or in any other system, for that matter), you will always have people who fail and blame their failure on the system. These are the ones who turn to the socialist priests.
If one falls prey to their demands, a downward spiral is certain. Greece is a good example, 80% of the employed work in the public sector OR in nationalized companies, of which NONE have been privatized by now. As the remaining private sector collapses this ratio is getting more extreme; the public sector trying to stay above water by pushing the private sector further underwater.
The socialist endpoint of a society. See also Spain – 25% unemployment and rising, these are NOT ex public sector employees, same development there.
From the socialist endpoint, where you reach Cuban conditions, a leaden time sets in, and the regime might stagnate over decades into ever more appalling condition.
Dirk, how long before Germany pulls out of the EU? When they do, Europe will be in a very bad way.
But, you are correct. If anyone has any questions about where it all ends, look no further than Greece. Spain is in dire ways and Italy is having great difficulties. The only reason why none of these countries have collapsed, (including Iceland and Portugal) is because German wealth has floated them so far.
I find it ironic that the people quoted above call for austerity, but when the reality of austerity hits them, they get angry.
I find it ironic that the people quoted above call for austerity, but when the reality of austerity hits them, they get angry.
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exactly!
Austerity is about emergency injection of profits to the financial oligarchs at the expense of labour protections and social programs such as medicine and hospitals, food and shelter for the people. Austerity is nothing to do with pulling the emergency stop cord on this runaway train of industrial capitalism, which is making our planet uninhabitable.
Pray tell! What ever shall we do?
Lat, I can’t get used to your green icon……
He caged his personality again. I think he is in disguise and trying to fool us into thinking he is someone else. Of course it could be just a costume.
We need to find both of you a pet you can share as your icon.
Maybe this one for Lat
LOL….no not that one
THIS?
THIS:
They DONT’T DO austerity. Austerity is supposed to be spending cuts; but what they PROPOSED was a mixture of spending cuts and tax hikes. The cuts never got implemented but the tax hikes did.
Krugman calls it proof for the failure of austerity but that is not what they did.
As for Germany pulling out of the Euro: THIS CAN HAPPEN AT ANY MOMENT.
Germany is the only country that is allowed to leave the Euro without exiting the EU – legislature for this has been implemented last year.
The SOFFIN, a slush fund for eventual recapitalization of German banks, used during the Lehman Bros crisis, has been resurrected, called SOFFIN 2 now,
AND IT IS CHARGED UP WITH 500 BN EUROs.
We don’t want to leave the Euro as it makes our exports cheaper than they would otherwise be but leaving it can happen at a whim.
This is Merkel’s not-so-secret Wunderwaffe to subdue the demands of France et. al.
Lol, yeh, I meant to write a post on Krugman’s delusional posit.
Maybe you should write Merkel and tell her not to fund the “SOFFIN” with Euro’s. If Germany leaves the Euro, the Euro would be worthless.
France will be interesting to watch.
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I am really impressed. The environmentalists have a good point. I have even developed a nice action plan for them. Step 1: Confiscate properties of socialists and redistribute it. I am sure they won’t object. This is what they r preaching. Step 2) Immediately strip them of all benefits of industrialization including their education. I don’t know how that’s possible. But we can depend on socialists to come up with a workable plan since their aim destruction of industrialization. Step 3) By this time they will just love me because their lives would have become insecure and we should actively deny them any benefits from industrialization which of course is what they want. This would help make this place inhospitable for them. Step 6) Throw them in Gulags and let them enjoy and perfect the re-education program they planned for us. I am sure they will force us to starve them so that we can redistribute that food to some one else for nice profit just like comrade Stalin. Step 5) Put them in front of a firing squad. It will help socialise the oxygen they are wasting by being alive. Don’t you think they will just love to sign up for my plan? No? The bastards are only interested in controlling and killing others. They sure don’t want it to happen to them. The only reason they advocate socialism is because they hope to become the new noblemen, kings and emperors. They don’t seem to realize what will happen to them when there is a party purge even if they do form a socialist government.