Electoral Maps, A LOL!!!!, And One Small Bit Of Advice To Trump!!!!!

My head is spinning from trying to keep up with the revelations of Clintons email scandal, and the Wikileaks and whatnot.  It’s now revealed that our Secret Service knew about her home-brew server, as well as the POTUS.  No one knew about it, except everyone in our government knew about it, and then, of course, lied about knowing about it.  Bunch of lying scumbags!

But, is that moving the polls?  Yes.  It absolutely has, but, not as much as one would hope.  But, then, I don’t believe there’s been a good poll which started after all of this has been exposed.  What matters, though, is how the people of the individual states react to the news.  Prior to all of this, Trump dug himself a pretty big hole.  As I stated in an earlier post, I’m using several different sources to watch how each state (ones that matter) is moving.  Each one varies from the other.  For some good maps for comparisons, you can go here, here, here, and finally here.  The fellow running the 3rd site mentioned, the 538 site, did the best job of predicting the last presidential election.  Each site uses different methodology to get their maps.  I’ll show you the current Fox map, because it’s interactive and fun to play with!  Here’s what it looks like, today.


Just to make sure everyone is up to speed in reading the map.  Each state is abbreviated.  The number underneath each state is the electoral votes each state has.  Red is  Trump, blue is Clinton, and the grey is what Fox is calling a toss-up.  Now, some of this is just silly.  Things may change tomorrow, but, a few of these states are not “toss-ups”.  Georgia, for instance; all of the polls have pretty consistently shown Trump in the lead.  The same can be said for Michigan and Clinton.  I’m not saying Trump can’t win Michigan, but, I’m saying if the election was tomorrow, he’ll lose Michigan.  Same with Clinton and Georgia.  I believe Trump is going to take Arizona, and Iowa, as well.  Again, things may change tomorrow, but, as of today, this is how I’m reading things. 

This brings me to my LOL, and advice/plead to Trump.  If you look at this map, in the lower right of the screen you’ll see two blue boxes, with the letters ME next to them.  The “ME” is the abbreviation for the state of Maine.  Maine is one of two states in the Union that isn’t “winner take all”. (Nebraska is the other.)  They actually do it like it is suppose to be done.  They let their congressional districts vote and count that delegate towards how each district voted, rather than the majority of votes within the state.

So, why is that important?  And, how is this relevant to this election?  Let me show you a very plausible outcome, using the Fox map ……..



Now, I’m not saying this is probable, it is, simply, very plausible.  Here’s another plausible LOL!!!!  There’s some nutjob “Never Trumper” in Utah campaigning.  He’s actually ahead of Hillary, and just barely behind Trump.  Let’s say he takes Utah ……


You see, Clinton still needs one more electoral vote!!!!!  You need 270 electoral votes to be Prez! 

This is my advice to Trump.  Go get that one, lonely electoral vote.  Currently, it is said to be a dead heat in that congressional district.  If Trump were to just fly there, talk about something that concerns the 2nd congressional district of Maine (on the federal level) and tell them he cares about them …. blah, blah, blah …… he’ll win the district!

Oh, yeh, so what happens if no one gets 270 electoral votes?  Smile  It goes to the House of Representatives!  Now, mind you, it isn’t each congressman gets a vote, it is by state, each state getting one vote.  I haven’t broken down the congressional contingency of each state.  But, only going by what state is typically Repub vs Dim, I have it 28-22 Repubs.  Again, I haven’t broken them down, and you might have a never Trumper who could swing a state vote, but, the advantage would clearly be Trump in such a case.

In case anyone is wondering, my map, as I see it today …….


Mind you, this isn’t a prediction.  This is just how I think it would go if the election were held today.  My view will change over the course this next week.  I can’t get a sense of NV, CO, or the 2nd congressional district of Maine.  

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138 Responses to Electoral Maps, A LOL!!!!, And One Small Bit Of Advice To Trump!!!!!

  1. daveburton says:

    Evan McMullin isn’t “some nutjob ‘Never Trumper’ in Utah.” He’s a pretty solid conservative, and a pretty reasonable guy. He’d make a much better POTUS than either Hillary or Trump. If I were in Utah I’d vote for him.

    • suyts says:

      Right, except he has no chance of winning the election and is only working to take electoral votes from Trump. Right now, he’s wasting time, energy, and effort. There is no upside to his efforts …… unless he views Hillary as the preferable choice as POTUS. In my view, that puts him solidly in the “Never Trumper nutjob” category. He may be a reasonable guy, but, he’s not being very reasonable at this moment.

      • daveburton says:

        Well, it is conceivable (barely) that if he carries Utah he could throw the election to the House of Representatives. That’s what he’s hoping for, and that would be a wonderful outcome.

        There’s no downside to voting for McMullin. Usually you worry about the “Perot effect,” in which the 3rd Party candidate draws from the 2nd best candidate and throws the election to the worst candidate. But that’s not a danger in Utah, this time, because Hillary is so extraordinarily far behind there.

        if you look at the polls, there’s almost no risk that McMullin could throw the election to Hillary. In four of the six polls shown here, even in the implausible very worst case, in which McMullin falls just short of winning, and draws all of his additional support from Trump supporters, and none from Johnson or Hillary supporters, according to 4 of the 6 polls Hillary would still lose. In the real world, if McMullin support grows, some of it will come from Trump’s supporters, but some will also come reluctant Hillary and Johnson supporters, so there really is no risk that Hillary could take Utah, regardless of how well McMullin does.

      • suyts says:

        Dave, that’s not the point. The point is that Utah is 6 electoral votes. McMullin can absolutely sway the entire election to Hillary. Indeed, it is very plausible. As you note, Hillary isn’t going to win Utah. But, it may very well be enough that Trump not take Utah that pushes the election to Hillary. Sure, it’s a race to 270, but, as you stated, going to the House is the only possibility that McMullin can win. But, there’s zero chance of even that happening. What states would he pull? Oregon? NY? …… If it goes to the House and he pulls even 4 states, Hillary wins. He’s not going to pull 26 states. It’s entirely implausible that Trump wouldn’t take at least 4-5 red states after a split election. And, still, it’s 6 electorals that would otherwise go to Trump in a race to 270.

        Don’t get me wrong, I’d much rather McMullin in, but, that’s just not going to happen. It’s a waste of time with a huge downside and no chance of an upside.

        • daveburton says:

          There is no downside to conservatives voting for McMullin.

          Hillary can’t win with a plurality. She needs 270. So if McMullin takes Utah, there are only four possibilities:

          1. Hillary wins anyhow, and McMullin’s win in Utah didn’t make a difference. (Most likely.)

          2. Trump wins anyhow, and McMullin’s win in Utah didn’t make any difference. (Long shot, but possible.)

          3. Neither wins, and the election goes to the House of Representatives, because McMullin’s win in Utah deprived Trump of the last few electoral votes he needed. (A very long shot.)

          4. Per your 2nd map (269-263-6), the race goes to the House of Representatives, but it would have done so anyhow because it would have been 269-269 if McMullin hadn’t taken Utah. In fact, a McMullin Utah victory might stiffen the spines of Republican Representatives, and encourage them to choose a better President than Trump. (The longest longshot.)

          In none of those scenarios could McMullin sway the election to Hillary.

          In scenario 3, a McMullin victory in Utah causes a much improved outcome! The House of Representatives, voting by State-by-State, will definitely be Republican-controlled, no matter how badly we get creamed next week, because Democrat strength is concentrated in high population Calif. & NY, and Republicans control lots of lower population States. So in this scenario, we get a Republican President, and perhaps not Trump.

          In scenario 4 a McMullin victory in Utah might do some good.

          In scenarios 1 & 2 a McMullin victory in Utah does no harm.

          For conservatives, there’s no downside to voting for McMullin in Utah. It probably won’t do any good, but it might, and it definitely won’t do any harm.

        • daveburton says:

          P.S. by “there is no downside to conservatives voting for McMullin” I meant to add “in Utah!” There could certainly be a downside to voting for him in most other States.

        • philjourdan says:

          If it does go to the House, Trump has the inside track since most small states are conservative. But yes the gadfly in Utah can upset the apple cart. With no upside. Not for conservatives, or for himself. The best scenario he can hope for is to get Hillary elected. And if that is what any conservative wants, he is no conservative. Period.

          Trump is no conservative either. But we are not voting for any conservative this year. So called conservatives have sold us down the river for the past 16 years. If the libertarians had run a good candidate this year, they would have picked up a lot of conservative votes, but instead ran another establishment republican trying to concede the race to the democrats.

          So in reality what you have is 3 establishment candidates who have done nothing for conservatives, and one anti-establishment candidate who is rough around the edges, and does not pretend to be conservative. And gives the establishment heartburn. If nothing else comes out of this race but the disruption of the establishment, then conservatives win. They lose in every other respect every year in any event.

        • daveburton says:

          If it goes to the House, Pence might have an inside track. Or maybe Ryan. But I don’t think Trump would.

          Remember: if it goes to the House, they can choose anyone at least 35 years old and a natural-born U.S. citizen.

        • philjourdan says:

          Sorry No:

          and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President.

          The five highest being the list from the EC. Article 2, Section 1

        • daveburton says:

          I stand corrected, and thank you for educating me!

          Interestingly, among the changes made by Amendment XII was a reduction in the number of choices they have. They now must choose from the top three (not five) for President.

          Also interestingly, the President & Vice President are chosen separately, and the House must choose from among the top two for Vice-President. So if McMullin wins Utah, and it goes to the House, they may not pick Ryan, but they could pick McMullin/Pence.

          That sounds pretty good to me!

        • daveburton says:

          Correction: the Senate, not the House, must choose the Veep, from the top two.

  2. Scott says:

    Hi James,

    Just an update from CO (Fort Collins). While I figured that CO would go blue in both 2008 and 2012, I’m not at all sure this time. It seems like no one is excited about either candidate this time. In 2008, Obama signs/bumper stickers outnumbered McCain at least 2:1. In 2012, Obama stuff outnumbered Romney probably 60/40. But this year, I’d say I’ve seen fewer than half the things for Trump/Clinton combined than I saw for Romney alone in 2012. And it may be more like 10%. The majority of people here think they both suck.

    That said, I’d say I’ve seen more Trump signs out than Clinton signs, probably in a 60/40 split. Because of that, I’d say Fort Collins is probably going to be more red/less blue than it was in 2012. Maybe even close to 50/50. Boulder and Denver are going to be solid blue like always. The rural areas will be solid red, like always. You’ve gotta look at the mid-size towns/cities to see what’s going to happen. It’s just tough because we’ve imported a lot of liberal out of staters as students and plenty of latin Americans…the liberal imports will all vote blue, no clue on the latin population though.


    • suyts says:

      Thanks for the update! If Ft. Collins can be flipped to Trump, then, I would imagine even the weight of Denver and Boulder couldn’t stop the rural Colo people.

      • Scott says:

        I seriously doubt that it will “flip to Trump”, but if it can be anything closer than 60/40 Hillary /Trump, then CO may well go Trump. The real problem is the university and all the naive students. IIRC, in either 2008 or 2012, something like 90% of the votes at the university polling station were for Obama. In 2008, the only place you could find anything for McCain on the entire campus was the engineering dorm…naturally one of the only places with people who are actually going to be productive members of society.


  3. philjourdan says:

    Sorry, Maine is NOT the way to go. Unless you are a big state and want the popular vote to do the electing. The genius of the EC is that candidates MUST pay attention to the small states. Without it, flyover would never see a candidate, only the coasts. What most do not realize is this nation was created by the CONSENT of 13 sovereign States. Today it looks like they are just bureaucratic jurisdictions – but originally it was supposed to be similar to what the EU wants to be (except we elect our federal leaders – theirs are appointed).

    The EC map has never looked good for Trump – until now. A mountain is not moved in a minute. The trend is unmistakeable. Yes, he can still lose. But yes, he can still win. The whole “blue/red” garbage was created in 2000. I am not betting on who is going to win this election.

    But I will bet the blue/red garbage will surprise a lot of folks this year. With few exceptions, most states are purple.

    • It isn’t 1820 anymore. You get all the exposure to any candidate you want. Real elections don’t do DC.

    • suyts says:

      Phil, I disagree. Maine votes by CD, rather than winner take all. Even the big states have conservative districts which never get counted. Heck, nearly all of eastern Washington and Oregon would consistently vote Repub. I don’t think we have one Dim in our CDs in KS. So, yeh, I’d happily make the trade …… even upstate NY has repub districts.

      The protection for the rural states still exist in the way Maine and Neb does it, because the popular vote of the states still gets the 2 senate electoral votes.

      • >>
        Heck, nearly all of eastern Washington and Oregon would consistently vote Repub.

        I just came back from a trip to Spokane. East of the Cascades, I saw lots of Trump-Pence signs. I don’t remember one Hillary sign.

        I still see lots of Obama bumper stickers, but few Hillary stickers. Yesterday we saw one WEA Hillary sticker.


      • suyts says:

        Exactly. It’s always the same. Rural is conservative, urban is liberal. Doesn’t matter where you go, Alaska, Washington state, NY, or Kansas. Tiny spaces packed with people tend to be leftist.

        • daveburton says:

          You’re not the first person to make that observation.

          “The political economists of Europe have established it as a principle, that every state should endeavour to manufacturer for itself; and this principle, like many others, we transfer to America. … But we have an immensity of land courting the industry of the husbandman. Is it best then that all our citizens should be employed in its improvement, or that one half should be called off from that to exercise manufacturers and handicraft arts for the other? … Corruption of morals in the mass of cultivators is a phenomenon of which no age nor nation has furnished an example. It is the mark sent on those who, not looking up to heaven, to their own toil and industry, as does the husbandman, for their subsistence, depend for it on casualties and caprice of customers. Dependence begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition. … While we have land to labour, then, let us never wish to see our citizens occupied at a work-bench or twirling a distaff. … For the general operations of manufacture let our workshops remain in Europe. It is better to carry provisions and materials to workmen there than bring them to the provisions and materials and with them their manners and principles. The mobs of great cities add just so much to the support of pure government as sores do to the strength of the human body. It is the manners and spirit of a people which preserve a republic in vigour. A degeneracy in these is a canker which soon eats to the heart of its laws and constitution.”
          – Thomas Jefferson

  4. philjourdan says:

    FYI – some have been commenting on the absence or presence of candidate signs. They are few and far between except for Trump ones, but then not a lot of them either. 2 weeks ago, I started seeing some Hillary signs. First, paired with the local rep running. Then on their own.

    Most are still there, but as of this past weekend, about 1/4 have “disappeared”. Indeed I saw one yard that had a 3 fer (Hillary, Kaine and Bedell) convert to just a Bedell. Bedell has no chance in hell of winning in this area. But it is telling that I see as many lone “Bedell” signs as I do Hillary ones.

    • Latitude says:

      Phil, I live in liberal ground zero…I’m shocked…not one single Hillary sign any where…not kidding, I have not seen even one…
      ..there are Trumps signs every 20 feet….and no one is messing with them either…the same ones have been out for over a month and are still there

      • philjourdan says:

        I ran over to the other side of town yesterday (friend’s birthday luncheon), and saw a few Hillary signs (and Hillary for Prison ones). The other side of town is very conservative, but as I get over there so seldom, I cannot say if the number is significant (I can say it is less than Obama signs).

        But the real news is that Clinton has lost 15% in this state in the past 2 weeks according to one polling outfit. We may be turning red again.

        • Latitude says:

          Well I’m kinda shocked with us down here….we have a large gay population and fairly large black population….both notoriously liberal and democrat
          We pretty much all know each other…..and they all have Trump signs out

          I guess….don’t judge a book by it’s cover

        • philjourdan says:

          Orlando killed Hillary’s Gay support (not eradicated, but cut into it deeply). It was not the deaths that alienated a large portion of Gays. It was Obama’s and the Democrats blaming both the victims, and sympathizing with the murderer that did it. Trump condemned it unequivocally. And while the democrats have been throwing a lot of mud at him, one area that they have not is his view of homosexuals.

        • DirkH says:

          Lat, I think the stranglehold of the Left over the gays is fading fast – with the Islamisation promoted by the Left, Orlando shooting, and figureheads like Milo.

        • Latitude says:

          I think it’s absolutely over….
          They needed democrats to get the marriage thing…
          …now they have businesses, jobs, bills…and need capitalism

          Our gay population is divided just like everyone else is….professionals, business owners, etc are hard core conservative…
          …bar tenders, waiters/esses, drug addicts, save the reef/turtles/manatees/dolphins etc….are hard core liberal

        • I love Milo’s rants. Yet on things like transgenderism and fat- shaming, where he correctly and quite effectively attacks the enabling of those abuses and breakdowns of the human mind and body, the hypocrisy of ignoring his own is astounding.

          Hard core conservative gay is a misnomer. Still too much rejection of reality in play for a hard core conservative.

        • ‘Sonewhat’ conservative, sure.

        • Latitude says:

          nope…they are definitely conservative

        • I think it a stretch to not believe that having that degree of delusion about human sexuality would have to crossover into some other areas of thought. I have a good gay friend/client who’s a good example. Strong conservative, in many areas, of Cuban heritage. Parents fled Castro.Yet pro- gun control.

        • Latitude says:

          There’s no reason republicans can’t get at least 1/2 of the gay and black vote….they better stop alienating them with the “he’s not conservative enough” and start trying to get those votes.

          Democrats will take anyone….

        • There’s no rational reason to not get all their votes. Whether they believe they’re ‘hard core’ or not. Pointing out that they’re not shouldn’t make a difference. I bet most know it already.

        • Latitude says:

          Well I think the republicans better cut the crap or never win another election….
          Trump proves that already….he’s winning as a republican…and staying away from all the so called republican talking points.

          There is no political party more anti-religion than the democrats…
          …there is no other group of people in this country more religious than mexican and central american immigrants…
          and who do they vote for?
          There are a million things that trump religion….they all put their religion aside to vote for amnesty

          Republicans need to frame their talking points on the economy, jobs, wall street, corruption, etc…
          …stick to that “money” and they will win every time

        • Are you thinking my position on what’s hardcore conservative comes from religion? Hardly. I bet I’m less religious than many gays. My position will always be reality-based. That should always be what Conservatism is about. Or then you’re really a Liberal. If Repubs (which I’m not by the way), want to embrace delusion for votes, they never should win another election.

          I guess if transgenders are voting overwhelmingly Repub in twenty years, they’ll then be hardcore conservatives.

        • And to your point, those reality-based things like the economy should trump everything else.

        • Latitude says:

          no no….I was trying to come up with an example of pandering….and that was the best my foggy brain could do

          Democrats will pander to every one…no matter what you want to hear…you can hear them say it…..and then they go right on about their business like they never said it

          Republicans need to stop trying to pander to all these things….because jobs, money, economy, etc trump all of those things.

          Religion was just the first example that came to mind..and central americans voting for a party that’s anti-religion…because there are more important things to them than that

        • Oh…gotcha. Because they certainly don’t have to put their religion aside because of amnesty. Look at their Pope. That’s not Conservatism. That’s not Reality.

        • Latitude says:

          Well, but that’s exactly what they’ve done. They know the democrats are anti-religion…but are still voting for them because amnesty trumps religion.

          Look, Trump’s not winning this election because of the wall or illegals..
          …he’s winning because of jobs and the economy
          Even though the wall/illegals plays into it…they are doing jobs we won’t do
          Jobs/economy is the big deal

          Hillary is going to kill jobs, raise taxes, etc…and everyone knows that.

          Trump is a businessman…and people see him as creating jobs, etc…that’s what is winning

          Republicans need to stop pandering to all this little crap…and hammer the democrats on jobs and economy

  5. Latitude says:

    this has blown me away….

  6. DirkH says:

    Cut your finger? How about getting a skin graft, surgically rearrange your tendons and having your skin tissue rearranged for only 14K.
    He got “GRAFT” right on the bill.

  7. Latitude says:

    This article is hysterical…..they can’t help the way they write it

    Exclusive: White House Readies to Fight Election Day Cyber Mayhem

    Russia has been warned that any effort to manipulate the actual voting or vote counting would be viewed as a serious breach<<<<<<<< and Obama will write a sternly worded letter

    So far, document dumps attributed to the Russians have damaged Democrats and favored Trump.<<<<<<<<<< it would kill them to have to say ….that's because there's no dirt on Trump… and Hillary and the democrats are up to their eyeballs in it


  8. Latitude says:

    …and more from the “they really can’t help it, and how stupid do they think we are” department

    This newspaper apologized to their readers…for anti-Trump bias….by trashing Trump, and saying there really wasn’t anything to report on Hillary

    Florida newspaper apologizes for anti-Donald Trump bias


  9. Latitude says:

    In spite of everything else…..Clinton lied under oath

    That’s a given…why isn’t she being prosecuted for that?

    • Latitude says:

      I saw that Me…..and I’m still reeling from it!

    • DirkH says:

      Your military is up to its eyeballs in Satanism.
      Google Michael Aquino, First Satanic Chaplain of the US Military. He wrote the US Army Chaplain’s Handbook.

      • Me says:

        Yeah, Interpol as an informant! How deep the web is weaved!

        • Me says:

          What you just provided was that interpol is in on this too! That is a globalist org! You realise that right?

        • DirkH says:

          Did I ever defend the Pan-Europa movement or any of its spawn?

        • Me says:

          Well it is what it is! We all know what informants are, the get out of jail free card! And that is instituted because someone on the inside is just as bad.

        • Me says:

          And as soon as the law inforcement can give them immunity to be the narcs or informenants, it is in their nature to continue doing what they do and then law inforcement has to cover for them, then it is a catch 22!

        • Me says:

          That’s the Bottom Line, they give a free pass to some criminals to get bigger ones, and in return get extorted because they protected the smaller criminals to get the big criminals and in turn get entraped by the biggest criminals. Blackmail with now E-mail! Awesome leakers and whistleblowers are now bringing this out!

  10. Me says:

    A bit of MetallimadeN! 😆 Their newest release! Enjoy!

  11. Me says:

    Like he said go to a local coffee shop help a small business, unless that small business charges outrageous prices or brew it at home. But I Thought I saw Star Yucks chargeing $10 for some coffee, Suckers born everyday I guess!

  12. Me says:

    I like AC-DC, But I like joan better

  13. Lars P. says:

    Well well, a German politician (the ‘lady’ in the small picture) proposing to introduce child marriage in Germany under the guise of ‘protection’ for the child:

    Well then, possessing and distributing pictures with their child wife at marriage what is that? There are no limits to the growing absurdity of these ‘liberals’

    • DirkH says:

      Oezoguz is what I call a plastic card German. Her brothers wan a website called “Muslim Market”, some Halal/Shariah whatever MB-tied thing. She is member of the social democrats who would, if they could, accelerate the islamisation of Germany even more.

      We have A LOT of criminal gangs to smoke out.

  14. philjourdan says:

    Looks like regardless of the outcome, Hillary will not get 12 EC votes from Jim’s State – http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/05/washington-state-elector-says-wont-vote-for-clinton.html

    • She will on election night–receive 12 EC votes. The actual EC vote is always anticlimactic. And there may be lots of surprises with the actual EC vote. The electors are supposed to follow their state rules, but some have made departures. This has been a strange election year–all around.


  15. Latitude says:

    but it’s an act of love….

    “Police in Germany say they are helpless to defend their cities from gangs of migrant youths who terrorise the city with street crime and aggressive behaviour.”


    I’m sorry…but I don’t think our culture is ready for grown men that keep little boys as sex slaves……and think that’s normal

    • DirkH says:

      That’s Hamburg. I worked there for two years. Hamburgers call their city “the most beautiful city of the world”. Maybe someone coined that as an ironic statement. Today’s Hamburgers don’t grasp that.

      It’s a crowded 2 million city with no space to live, overcrowding got worse through pressing thousands of Muslim criminals in there (about which the article talks), many claiming to be minors and getting preferred treatment; the SPD-governed city is incapable of building enough housing and doesn’t care because they’re obsessed with caring for Muslim men who fled their countries in search of free money.

      Hamburgers voluntarily keep voting for social democrats and Greens. They are all specially abled in my opinion.

      And you get murdered there.

    • Me says:

      The only problem with this guy is he supports Jill Stien, the candidate that wants to ban all carbon based energy! Carbon is the essence of life, and these people want to ban it and tax it! Other than that he makes a good statement about Hellary and those around her.

  16. DirkH says:

    Soros’s Snopes says: It’s all taken out of context. Plus, when that witch invites people to dinner she doesn’t feed them pig blood and sperm even though she uses it in her art (both the art and her dinners are called Spirit Cooking, which is humorous.) And it’s not satanic, it’s spiritual.
    Clinton foundation pays for performance art using pig blood and sperm with the leftovers from their Haiti earthquake help.
    Twitter Link follows…

  17. DirkH says:
  18. Latitude says:

    Dirk…when all else fails….assimilate

    Germany’s new wall: 12ft-high barrier – taller than the infamous fortification that once divided Berlin – is constructed in Munich to protect locals from a migrant camp

    A 12-foot high barrier – higher than the Berlin Wall – is being erected in the German city of Munich to protect locals from young refugees who are set to move into the area.


    …and they make fun of Trump because of his wall

    • DirkH says:

      Ha. Those Perlachers are about 5 miles north of where I am. Nazis the lot of them! The regime brings them 160 lovely “underage” special needs Muslims and they refuse to be enriched by them! Oriental enrichment 70 feet from their back porch and they still won’t accept living in a more or less peaceful version of Mosul now!

      Maybe the regime wants to crash the housing bubble of Munich?

  19. Latitude says:

    Un-f’ing believable….

    • This ties in to the Repubs needing to pander to non-Conservative thought. I think it all boils down to a way of life in the waning days of it’s ability to sustain itself through the democratic process. And being terrified to accept the reality of the need for the ‘Plan B’ they were given.

      • Latitude says:

        Republicans need to get a grip on what minority means…
        Liberals are a minority…
        5000 Mexicans demonstrate for amnesty…20 million want a job
        2000 gays parade…..30 million haven’t had a raise in 6 years
        2000 blacks burn a city…..40 million want a better job

        • But I think it obvious the percentage of those also wanting non- conservative policy is gaining on the majority.

        • When you’re not reality-based, you can want a job and open borders.

        • San Fran– maybe the most well-known gay city, and maybe the most well-known sanctuary city.

        • Latitude says:

          I don’t see it that way at all…
          I think the problem is the Republican party has not framed it any different than the democrats.
          Trump has framed the republican argument the closest to what I’m talking about..and in spite of both parties and every media trashing him….he just might win this

          Before this election I didn’t give the republicans a chance ever again…

          I don’t see it as “those wanting non-conservative policy”….the republicans have never presented a policy anyone could keep up with…they are all over the place…could very well be on purpose too…same dog different collar

          Even Ryan acted like some child…that’s no way to get votes and no way to make people think you even have the power of your words

          Frankly I’m surprise so many republicans are showing up to vote…the republican party has been so divided and looks weak…but that just says more to Trump’s message and not the party

        • leftinflagstaff says:

          Which I see as all more signs of the watering down of Conservatism, and Americanism, for that matter. There may be still enough to slow the trend. Trump is probably a reflection of that.

          Not convinced there’s enough to to stop it. Need to see a secure border a reality. A correction back to the right within our educators. Fiscal sanity as the norm.

        • Latitude says:

          I see it as the opposite…
          Fiscal responsibility….jobs, economy, wall street, etc
          Protecting the borders….taking care of our own
          Trade agreements and at least benefit us
          etc etc

          ….all seem like more conservative than what we’ve had now

    • Me says:

      Well Zero says to Trump, voter fraud, What does that mean, and then encourages voter fraud! WOW!

  20. Latitude says:

    Nailed it….

    • This is the trap, Lat. We’re putting our faith and emotional investment into solutions that are no longer viable. Half a nation wanted this to happen, for their ideology. Or just too apathetic and unlawful to prevent it.

      Or maybe it will be this time. It won’t be for long. It’s time to re-establish our emotional investment in ‘the real.’ Like bullets. And not into worry over alienating gays, or if religion is put aside for amnesty.

      • Latitude says:

        I’m telling you….Comey snuck his slimylittlewhiteass around and did this on Sunday…so he didn’t have to go back to work and face it
        If what people are saying that he had a mutiny going on…he’s really going to have one now

        Playing games like this…oh look a squirrel….oh never mind

        ..and you are 100% right

        But he is keeping it out there…people are noticing and paying attention

      • Latitude says:

        And not into worry over alienating…a minority within a minority
        That’s the point I’ve been trying to make…
        The vast majority of blacks, gays, hispanics, …..just name the minority
        ..are more concerned about jobs, economy, ……money

        Most people that would be considered a minority…do not consider themselves a minority

    • philjourdan says:

      That was the plan all along – to make Trump supporters give up.

  21. That’s what started this all. 😃. ‘ If we don’t define them as hard core conservative, they’ll be alienated….’ They’re not. And it shouldn’t matter. To us or them. If it does, they’re definitely not. And even farther removed from reality. The continued redefining of Conservatism, with its words like ‘marriage’ and ‘citizen’, or the easing of that redefining, will determine if it’s a minority within a minority.

  22. Me says:

    And here you have someone just as bad as CNN, obviously a weekend at burnies supporter taking down CNN, but showing his true colors as the socialist communist that he reports for! Hallarylarious! Too special! 😆

  23. Latitude says:

    James….you’re being very quiet on this

    • Oops… down here….

      Rampant fraud or not, America may never return to the days when it should be left to the whims of elections. Doubt we’ll ever again see them not being a threat to the free state.

      • DirkH says:

        Yeah, looks all dysfunctional from here. Fun thing is, even our German leftist lunatics have never developed the idea that people should be allowed to vote without an ID. Even though they closely coordinate with US leftists (via the Progressive Alliance, the current replacement for the Socialist International, which was too corrupt even for German social democrat standards.)

        • leftinflagstaff says:

          And ‘no ID’ just epitomizes the dangerous ideology which we’re giving the opportunity to make the rules.

      • DirkH says:

        Your main problem is IMHO your first-past-the-post system that ensures an eternal two party system. A system from the days of horse travel. No organic growth of new parties possible.

        • leftinflagstaff says:

          I’m still waiting for a convincing argument for the benefit of having any organized Partys.

        • leftinflagstaff says:

          Listen. Research. Check their voting record if they have one. Don’t just pick a letter after their name. Don’t just donate to a letter. Don’t try to get others to vote for that letter.

        • philjourdan says:

          At organized parties, someone is always designated to bring the keg. At parties that are just thrown together, usually all you get are a bunch of 6 packs.

        • leftinflagstaff says:

          Heh…yes, having some kinds of parties will always make sense.

        • leftinflagstaff says:

          I would think that our built in checks and balances would be even more effective without organized party lines. I see them as workers unions…maybe once a good idea, but destined to become too powerful. Especially when they become merely different ramps herding cattle into the same truck, off to slaughter.

        • DirkH says:

          “I’m still waiting for a convincing argument for the benefit of having any organized Partys.”

          Simple. Party is just the name for a political organisation. So what does it do:
          The AfD took so many voters from Merkel’s CDU and formulated a party program, demanding amongst other things to do Australian policies and bring refugeee boats BACK instead of helping them to Europe; that the CDU is now panicking and picking up all these demands into THEIR program… THis would never have happened without the AfD first taking 30% of the CDU’s lunch…

          Can you do the same without an organisation? No. The leftist media block will simply not report about you. You need street presence and you need to be on the ballots.

        • leftinflagstaff says:

          There’d be no need for a AfD take so many votes from the CDU if there was no CDU. Seems to me partys eventually just add to an already too powerful process. And make it too easy for the voter to be lazy. Probably intentionally.

        • cdquarles says:

          From where I sit, our first-past-the-post is a good system. It forces finding common ground. There are more than two parties in our system. There are at least a dozen active parties. True, Federally, these don’t seem to mean much; but that’s more a consequence of winner take all. That arose because of other defects; but people are defective and our systems are likewise defective.

          Dirk, I will remind you here that our Founders did not want “parties” but these would naturally arise from “freedom of association” and “the right of the people to petition the government for redress of grievances”, so those who fuss about lobbyists or political parties are fussing about the wrong things. What people should be fussing over is the usurpation of power not granted to government. When Franklin said “A Republic, if you can keep it”, to a questioner, that was the warning.

          The “Federalist” party died in the early 19th Century. The “Democratic-republican” party died in the 3rd decade of the 19th Century. The Whig party arose in the early 19th Century and died in the middle of it. The Republican party arose in the middle of the 19th century and along with Andy Jackson’s party now called Democratic or Democrat, became dominant, yet there were lots of other parties created. Late in the 19th Century we had the Know Nothings, the Progressives, which had one wing called the Bull Moose party. There are others that I can’t recall now. If one were to go digging, you’d find various Fascist parties and the Communist party USA, among others, founded in the early part of the 20th Century. There were other splinter Democrats, some called Dixiecrats, some called American Democrat (Wallace ran in 1968 and 1972 under this party banner, until he was shot and paralyzed), then there arose the Libertarian party around this time as well. Some are more state oriented, such as the Conservative Party in New York.

        • DirkH says:

          cdquarles says:
          November 8, 2016 at 9:37 am
          “From where I sit, our first-past-the-post is a good system. It forces finding common ground. ”

          Happens here when 2 or three parties form a government coalition.

          As the two party system SPD CDU lost ground more and more splintering occured; SPD and CDU are now in a coalition. We now have 4 parties in the Bundestag (which elects the chancellor) , and this might become 6 in 2017.

          Parties under 5% are excluded from parliament. Otherwise it would be 20.

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