Well, I had other stuff I wanted to get to, but, I think this is big, and I’m very interested in the opinion of the ardent Trump supporters about this.
In case you missed this, Trump recently had a townhall type of event with Shaun Hannity. During the event Trump made a statement after engaging some questioners. Here’s the money quote which has the political world abuzz …….
Trump then asked the audience what should be done about people who have been in the US for a long time and has been “terrific.”
After asking this question of his audience two more times, Trump was asked, “So, you’re saying there is — and you have been sort of indicating that there’ll be some flexibility that you — originally you had said they were all out, and there was a big brouhaha, but you’re saying that if somebody can prove that they’ve been here, proven to be a citizen, but here’s the big question, though, no citizenship?”
Trump responded, “No citizenship. Let me go a step further, they’ll pay back taxes, they have to pay taxes, there’s no amnesty as such. There’s no amnesty. But we work with them. Now, okay, but when I look at the rooms, and I have this all over, now everybody agrees we get the bad ones out, but when I go through and I meet thousands and thousands of people on this subject, and I’ve had very strong people come up to me, really great, great people come up to me, and they’ve said, Mr. Trump, I love you, but to take a person that’s been here for 15 or 20 years and throw them and the family out, it’s so tough, Mr. Trump. I mean, I’ve — I have it all the time. It’s a very, very hard thing.”
Trump then polled the audience again, when asked what was in his gut, Trump stated that asking the audience was “like a poll.” And “We are going to come out with a decision very soon.”
That surely does seem like a change in the stances he’s taken in the past. Before I go on to the subject of “back taxes”, let me first talk about what isn’t explicitly stated but, very much implied. …….. You can’t “work with” people to pay their back taxes if you are going to, or have already deported them. It doesn’t seem like he’s going to be deporting them.
The example he used, “but to take a person that’s been here for 15 or 20 years……” is almost identical to an argument I’ve made a few times in the past. Let’s say you have a person who has been here since they were 5 y/o, and they’re now 30 y/o. Where are you going to send this person back to? Do they even speak the language? One can’t morally do that. So, in that sense, I support what Trump stated. But, now, we’re suddenly back to the discussion as to what is, or isn’t amnesty. And, as many talking heads have already pointed out, this is very similar to the stated positions of Bush and Rubio.
IMHO, Trump didn’t do himself any favors by articulating this thought in this manner at this time. What he now needs to do is clarify and come out with a position which makes the distinction. First and foremost, he has to reaffirm that the wall is coming up first! He has to state this …….’there are no deals until the wall is up!’ Then we sort out what we do with the ones here. I would also state something akin to, ‘if you came here as an adult’ and then put a time limit ……. ‘you been here five or ten years, you’re out!’. If someone came here at 20 y/o and are 60 y/o now …… well, again, what would we be sending them back to?
At any rate, I’m very interested in what other Trump supporters think of this.
But, let me now go a bit tangential. ………. !@$%$#^@$%^$@^!(&^@#%^)(@ “back taxes”!!!!!! That’s got to be the most shallow bit of idiocy I’ve seen from Trump, so far! And, no, I’m not being overly harsh. But, I will explain.
Someone please tell me what the average annual income for an illegal immigrant is? Do we believe it’s a) well above the median income of the average American, or b) so low as to if they actually filed income taxes that the overwhelming majority of the illegals would then receive an extra payday? Look, unless we’re talking about an entirely different set of income tax codes for illegals we’re talking about cutting a few $billion check for the illegals!
For those who don’t know, the poor in this country not only don’t pay taxes, they get free money for being poor come income tax time. I’ve people. Some are poor, others not so much. The poor will tell me how much they “got back” from their income taxes. It always exceeds how much they actually paid in. Indeed, for one family the money they “got back” nearly exceeded their total income for the year! 99.999% of the illegals would fall into the described category. It sounds cool, but, it’s a shallow, shallow thought which demonstrates lack of familiarity with what’s really going on with our tax laws.
In other Trump news, from a Trump skeptical site (they’re not never Trumpers, but, not fans, either.)
Someone on team Trump is thinking and thinking well. Some were critical of Trump’s swing through the south, starting with La, then Texas, then, Miss, then Florida. It’s smart. It solidifies the base and then moves to disputed territory. I wish I kept the article handy, but, in one it stated that the Hispanic vote in Florida is what bounced Trump up. It pretty much validated what I stated in an earlier post about Florida and Hispanics. At any rate, as noted in one of the other articles I’ve read, none of this really means that much. It’s the debates which will tell the tale. On paper, Hillary would have the advantage in such debates. She had one on one debates with Bernie. Trump’s debate experience came from a crowded stage; it’s very different. But, with Hillary, I think it would be very easy to win each and every debate. There’s not a punch she’s thrown so far which can’t be easily swatted away and easily deliver a great counter-punch. For instance, the press likes to call Trump a liar. I find that fascinating. And, Hillary is a beacon of truth? Yeh, let’s have a discussion on honesty in a debate. Taxes? How much did the Clinton Foundation pay? Racist supporters is another thing Hillary likes to bring up …….. Huma? Orlando shooters dad? Heck, just look at all the unscrupulous characters who donated to the Clinton Foundation! Transparency? Experience, though, that’ll win, right? Not if you let her paint herself as the “status quo”, which she happily will! On and on, there’s not a thing she can throw which doesn’t come back in spades. ……… If, and only if, Trump does his homework and can relate a detailed knowledge of the things he speaks about. Then, he wins the debates, then he wins the presidency.