Open Thread With A News Article For Suyts Readers!!!!

So, one of our lengthy threads on our last post was about legalizing drug use.  While I didn’t comment on that particular thread, I did read it with interest ……. and even had a discussion about it with my daughter and son-in-law.  It’s a familiar discussion.  And, I must say, most of the discussion both pro and con have valid points.  So, it’s a discussion worth having. 

So, here’s the story ……

Mayor wants to open supervised injection facility for heroin in NY city

One upstate New York city is planning an unconventional approach to combating a growing heroin epidemic: Letting addicts shoot up on government property under the supervision of medical professionals.

Ithaca Mayor Svante Myrick unveiled his controversial proposal to open a supervised injection facility during an interview with The Associated Press released Monday. The facility would provide a space for users to inject pre-purchased drugs with clean needles under the watchful eye of healthcare professionals who could, in theory, keep them safe and direct them to addiction services. …..

You can read the rest of the story at the link. 

Now, I’ll chime in with my thoughts on this particular instance…….  uhmm, not no but, hell no! 

Look, you can, as the story does, try to paint this as a positive thing, which someone helps addicts ….. by giving them their addiction.  But, I know how these things go with “government supervision”.  ………

You can advocate your government get into the drug pushing business if you want, but, I know how this will go, especially in the US.  We’ll either have to tax the citizens for providing this “service”(see our fantastic annual contribution to providing abortions on demand), or privatize it and incentivize having heroin addicts.  (See our entire prison system as a great example.)  But, later, some of our less capable citizens will come to literally depend on this and then see it as a “right”.  Later, some a$$hole leftard judge will agree (likely because he owns part of the heroin making drug company), the SCOTUS will rule on it without regarding any word written in the US Constitution, and then, it will be a right for me to be taxed to provide the addiction to some weak link in the human race. 

But, those are my thoughts. 

Now, I’m aware much of this has been dredged through, and the commentators may not wish to re-hash (heh!) the discussion.   So, it’s an open thread.  Not that it matters, the commenters, here, always discuss what they wish to discuss, anyway!  It’s one of the most endearing things of the blog!  I love that!  It’s just like when I go over and have a couple of beers with family and friends!  So, while I posted this story, we’re liable to end up discussing the laughable linear regression of temp data.  Or, the other societal form of suicide, open borders. 

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162 Responses to Open Thread With A News Article For Suyts Readers!!!!

  1. DirkH says:

    “But, later, some of our less capable citizens will come to literally depend on this and then see it as a “right”. ”

    Well you do have your SJW’s for that, that’s true. Ours in Germany are currently busy running deference for Merkel’s islamisation project, which is a very telling alliance – our “conservative ” ruling party is now the darling of the Frankfurt School offspring.

    Which of course reminds me of
    http://eternityroad.info/index.php/weblog/single/a_cabal_of_its_enemies/
    Robert Conquest’s Three Laws of Politics:
    1.Everyone is conservative about what he knows best.
    2.Any organization not explicitly right-wing sooner or later becomes left-wing.
    3.The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that
    it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies.

  2. cdquarles says:

    I have a question, which the article mentions but does not address in depth. How is this facility going to be able to legally supply the heroin (acetylmorphine) in pharmaceutical grade and sterility? Heck, for this, why not use the current morphine pumps?

    Hmm, on the other hand, James, our tax money is already paying for methadone maintenance.

    There isn’t a simple solution to it; but criminalizing this kind of vice created more problems than having local custom and D&D ordinances deal with public intoxication.

    [The best thing to happen, in my mind, would be to rethink what an addiction is and realize that as long as humans are fallen, you’re going to have these among you. And no, trying to use government to force things either way isn’t good.]

    PS. I will remind people that this isn’t a new idea at all. I am aware of variants of this idea being floated in the 50s/60s.

  3. gator69 says:

    We already have successful systems for distributing one of the most dangerous drugs on the market, and they are called bars and liquor stores. So why all the fuss about a little pot?

    We could more than pay for government party houses with the money we would save by stopping the stupid.

    Over the past four decades, the U.S. has spent more than $1 trillion fighting the war on drugs. The results? In 2011 a global commission on drug policy issued a report signed by George Shultz, Secretary of State under Ronald Reagan; the archconservative Peruvian writer-politician Mario Vargas Llosa; former Fed Chairman Paul Volcker; and former Presidents of Brazil and Mexico Fernando Henrique Cardoso and Ernesto Zedillo. It begins, “The global war on drugs has failed. … Vast expenditures on criminalization and repressive measures directed at producers, traffickers and consumers of illegal drugs have clearly failed to effectively curtail supply or consumption.” Its main recommendation is to “encourage experimentation by governments with models of legal regulation of drugs to undermine the power of organized crime and safeguard the health and security of their citizens.”

    http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2013/07/18/will-legalizing-drugs-reduce-crime/#ixzz3Sxo57fId

    “What else could we spend $42 billion each year on? Health insurance for kids? Better paid teachers? It’s our choice.

    What would you buy if you had an extra $42 billion to spend every year? What might our government buy if it suddenly had that much money dropped onto its lap every year?
    For one thing, it might pay for the entire $7 billion annual increase in the State Children’s Health Insurance Program that President Bush is threatening to veto because of its cost — and there’d still be $35 billion left over.

    Or perhaps you’d hire 880,000 schoolteachers at the average U.S. teacher salary of $47,602 per year.

    Or give every one of our current teachers a 30 percent raise ( at a cost of $15 billion, according to the American Federation of Teachers ) and use what’s left to take a $27 billion whack out of the federal deficit.

    Or use all $42 billion for a massive tax cut that would put an extra $140 in the pockets of every person in the country — $560 for a family of four.

    The mind reels at the ways such a massive sum of money could be put to use.

    Why $42 billion? Because that’s what our current marijuana laws cost American taxpayers each year, according to a new study by researcher Jon Gettman, Ph.D. — $10.7 billion in direct law enforcement costs, and $31.1 billion in lost tax revenues. And that may be an underestimate, at least on the law enforcement side, since Gettman made his calculations before the FBI released its latest arrest statistics in late September. The new FBI stats show an all-time record 829,627 marijuana arrests in 2006, 43,000 more than in 2005.

    That’s like arresting every man, woman and child in the state of North Dakota plus every man, woman, and child in Des Moines, Iowa on marijuana charges … every year.Arrests for marijuana possession — not sales or trafficking, just possession — totaled 738,916. By comparison, there were 611,523 arrests last year for all violent crimes combined.”

    http://www.mpp.org/media/op-eds/the-war-of-pot-americas-42.html

    Just in economic terms, it makes complete sense. And that’s before you count all the headless corpses, kidnappings, and ruined lives.

    • DirkH says:

      “Why $42 billion? Because that’s what our current marijuana laws cost American taxpayers each year”

      Well those 42 billion are earned by someone, and I guess they’re very happy with that. ATF and DEA and the prison industry.
      Estimates of the market value of consumed MJ range from 15 to 120 bn:
      http://www.cnbc.com/id/36179677
      So it could well be that drug enforcement costs 3 times as much as the drugs are worth.
      The war on drugs is first of all a big business. Personally I don’t support legalization in my country but please try it out in yours and let me know what happens. My ADVICE though would be to maybe go about it in a less mad way. Start with treating addicted like patients not as criminals.

      • gator69 says:

        We already legalized the most deadly drug, and that was 83 years ago. So far we have not self destructed as a result, in fact we have controlled it pretty nicely, just like your home country.

        Alcohol is a very dangerous and addictive drug, and yet somehow we all manage without becoming the Taliban.

    • suyts says:

      Gator, specifically, the article was about “heroin”, rather than mj. ….. or is it that you don’t make a distinction between illicit drugs? ……. I would also take exception to the equating of “drugs”. Alcohol doesn’t = mj. mj doesn’t = heroin.

      • gator69 says:

        Good point James! I believe that eventually we should legalize most drugs, or at least decriminalize them. What we are doing now is not just an abject failure, it is actually making things worse in many ways. We are supposed to learn from our history, and not make the same mistakes over and over again. Prohibition built organized crime into an industry and did nothing to slow aloholism or alcohol consumption. Just like today, you could get a “prescription” from your doctor, or you could buy the necessary materials at your local hardware store. Speakeasy’s were so common, that in some neighborhoods they outnumbered private residences.

        IMHO, what we should do is start with MJ and work our way to a better solution. The knee jerk “Reefer Madness” reaction of those who have not taken the time to study the situation is just like the reaction we get from those who have not taken the time to study all the facts on AGW. Government propaganda poisons the mind worse than any drug.

        Again I will point to Portugal, where usage of hard drugs, like heroin, has been cut in half through legalization. It is counterintuitive, just like how more guns equals safer streets.

        To me, alcohol is nearly as dangerous as heroin, and both are far more dangerous than MJ. Those who wish to escape their worlds will find a way, wether it is from a bottle of booze, a can of paint, or a syringe of smack. You cannot save everyone, there are no perfect answers in this life, but we can do much better.

        • DirkH says:

          You could get a prescription for alcohol?

          “To me, alcohol is nearly as dangerous as heroin, and both are far more dangerous than MJ.”

          Well I find it plain silly to equate the occasional beer and wine to heroin. Show me the millions of casual heroin users and I’ll change my opinion on the spot.

        • gator69 says:

          You could get a prescription for alcohol?

          Yep!

          Well I find it plain silly to equate the occasional beer and wine to heroin.

          And I find it silly for people to jump at heroin every time legalization is mentioned.

          And again…

          The Cato paper reports that between 2001 and 2006 in Portugal, rates of lifetime use of any illegal drug among seventh through ninth graders fell from 14.1% to 10.6%; drug use in older teens also declined. Lifetime heroin use among 16-to-18-year-olds fell from 2.5% to 1.8% (although there was a slight increase in marijuana use in that age group). New HIV infections in drug users fell by 17% between 1999 and 2003, and deaths related to heroin and similar drugs were cut by more than half. In addition, the number of people on methadone and buprenorphine treatment for drug addiction rose to 14,877 from 6,040, after decriminalization, and money saved on enforcement allowed for increased funding of drug-free treatment as well.

          http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html

          Think outside the propaganda. “Reefer Madness” was fiction, not a documentary.

        • DirkH says:

          You conflate things. I know that MJ doesn’t cause physiological dependency, likely because it’s slow decay covers its own withdrawal symptoms, or the brain is perfectly adapted to cannabinoids as it produces them itself.

          Heroin is a different matter entirely and I will jump at it whether you understand it or not. Different substance, different addictive potential, different withdrawal symptoms.

          It’s no use pretending drugs are equal when they’re not. Saying, we’ll legalize it because fighting it is impossible is just capitulation from the admittedly difficult task of reforming the stupid war on drugs, don’t pretend it has any other basis.

        • gator69 says:

          Saying, we’ll legalize it because fighting it is impossible is just capitulation from the admittedly difficult task of reforming the stupid war on drugs, don’t pretend it has any other basis.

          Capitulation is admirable in a party that is wrong. Once again…

          “Compared to the European Union and the U.S., Portugal’s drug use numbers are impressive. Following decriminalization, Portugal had the lowest rate of lifetime marijuana use in people over 15 in the E.U.: 10%. The most comparable figure in America is in people over 12: 39.8%. Proportionally, more Americans have used cocaine than Portuguese have used marijuana.

          The Cato paper reports that between 2001 and 2006 in Portugal, rates of lifetime use of any illegal drug among seventh through ninth graders fell from 14.1% to 10.6%; drug use in older teens also declined. Lifetime heroin use among 16-to-18-year-olds fell from 2.5% to 1.8% (although there was a slight increase in marijuana use in that age group). New HIV infections in drug users fell by 17% between 1999 and 2003, and deaths related to heroin and similar drugs were cut by more than half. In addition, the number of people on methadone and buprenorphine treatment for drug addiction rose to 14,877 from 6,040, after decriminalization, and money saved on enforcement allowed for increased funding of drug-free treatment as well.

          http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html

          Why argue with success? Would you prefer more deaths? More useage? I hear your beliefs but don’t see your facts. There are so many possible upsides to legalization that I find it hard to believe we still have not. But most people are ignorant of facts, and frightened of change.

        • cdquarles says:

          Dirk, our bodies make opioids and there are opioid receptors throughout our bodies.

        • cdquarles says:

          @ Dirk: yes, there is physiological dependence associated with cannabinoids: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F3-540-26573-2_24.

          I’ll go one further. There are people who have varying degrees of natural overproduction of epinephrine, norepinephrine, serotonin, melatonin, and many, many more. They all develop ‘physiological dependence’ through receptor regulation.

        • gator69 says:

          Actually the abstract says nothing about physical dependence.

          Cannabis is one of the most widely used drugs in the world. In the United States, 49% of people have used cannabis.[2] Although physical addiction has not been proven,[1] an estimated 9% of those who use cannabis develop dependence.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_dependence

          It is likely psychological dependence, much like that associated with cigarrettes and coffee…

          Alcohol, nicotine, and caffeine are the most widely consumed psychotropic drugs worldwide. They are largely consumed by normal individuals, but their use is even more frequent in psychiatric patients, Thus, patients with schizophrenia tend to abuse all three substances.

          http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3181622/

          With roughly 18% of Americans being diagnosed with a mental illness, it is not surprising that 9% of potheads end up with a psychological dependence. The truth is stranger than government fiction.

        • cdquarles says:

          Um, Gator, I’m talking about *physiological* dependence. That does happen in any kind of chronic intoxication. It happens at the receptors. Physiological dependence does not have to have physical signs and symptoms. This is not necessarily the same as *psychological* dependence. That happens in the brains of chronically intoxicated people, from whatever cause through final common pathways.

        • gator69 says:

          Physiological addictions include sex, so IMHO its application in a “drug-induced” addiction discussion is questionable.

          Sexual behavior releases endorphins in the brain that resemble opiates in that they numb pain and produce a feeling of well-being. This endorphin release is compulsively pursued by the sex addict. The reward of this endorphin release is so powerful for the sex addict that he finds himself willing to pursue his activity in spite of the negative consequences he knows he will experience as well

          http://www.newyorkpathways.com/biochemistryofsexaddiction.html

          One can become addicted to anything one really enjoys. It is important to distinguish between soft addictions, and hard addictions. And if we want to ban drugs based upon addiction rates, alcohol and cigarrettes would be on the list.

        • cdquarles says:

          That said, Gator, I agree that we are over-diagnosing mental illnesses these days (for malevolent purposes, in my mind). Actual number is closer to 1% for all mental illness combined.

        • gator69 says:

          Actual number is closer to 1% for all mental illness combined.

          Reference please.

        • DirkH says:

          “Following decriminalization, Portugal had the lowest rate of lifetime marijuana use in people over 15 in the E.U.: 10%. The most comparable figure in America is in people over 12: 39.8%.”
          “There are so many possible upsides to legalization that I find it hard to believe we still have not. ”

          The European concept of decriminalization is used in Germany as well. I stated it here, and defended it: Treat the users as patients, not as criminals.

          It has nothing to do with legalization. MJ and Heroin are still illegal to possess, but tolerated when the amount is small enough to be justified by the user’s personal needs. Dealers are still persecuted.

        • gator69 says:

          Yes, as you point out decriminalization works, and likely so would legalization. Decriminalization is only half the answer, as the money is still supporting criminals instead of communities, and cops are still chasing intoxicants instead of violent criminals. What a waste!

          I would settle for real decriminalization, but until we treat most drugs like alcohol, we are leaving room for improvement and doing society an injustice.

        • cdquarles says:

          Dirk, that’s one of Gator’s point. Legalization removes the ‘dealer’ as a source of contaminated products.

          Humanity lived just fine, for the most part, with these things being legal. It was Progressive Socialism, with its idea of a ‘blank slate, perfectable Man’, through social control and eugenics that brought about the demonization of ‘drugs, of which alcohol is one that arose in the 19th Century and so dominated the 20th, with hundreds of millions of ‘broken eggs to make omelets’ people killed.

        • cdquarles says:

          That is a number that I recall from the early 1980s and published in a standard psych textbook from the late 1970s (1978 or 79?), before they changed the DSM-III and the subsequent DSM-IV.

        • gator69 says:

          Maybe this is what you recall?

          1.1% of adults in the U.S. live with schizophrenia.

          https://www.nami.org/Learn-More/Mental-Health-By-the-Numbers

        • cdquarles says:

          No, it isn’t. From the book that I recall, schizophrenics were a bit over half of the prevalence and was the number one diagnosis. Oh yeah, it included homosexual behavior in that number, too.

        • DirkH says:

          gator69 says:
          February 24, 2016 at 3:21 pm
          “I would settle for real decriminalization, but until we treat most drugs like alcohol, we are leaving room for improvement and doing society an injustice.”

          Please first provide proof of a FUNCTIONING society where the entire population shoots up Heroin, or pops LSD, or Ecstasy, during social functions, like basically all of Europe does with alcohol, and goes sober the rest of the time, or at least 98% of them.

          That’s all I ask before I consider that a viable plan.

        • gator69 says:

          What a ridiculous strawman.

          In case you missed it, leaning towards legalization in Portugal decreased useage. Saying that I advocate everyone overdose is simply absurd, and shows you have nothing left to contribute on this thread.

          Your emtional and irrational rants are not helpful.

        • Have you noticed, Dirk, that every point that counters Gator’s is a strawman, and every statement we make is an emotional and irrational rant? Plus we have nothing to add to the discussion.

          Jim

        • gator69 says:

          Jim, show me once where my strawman call was incorrect.

          Gator

        • DirkH says:

          Jim Masterson says:
          February 24, 2016 at 6:58 pm
          “Have you noticed, Dirk, that every point that counters Gator’s is a strawman, and every statement we make is an emotional and irrational rant? Plus we have nothing to add to the discussion.”

          Yeah, we’re a real annoyance. Such is life.

        • gator69 says:

          I know what I noticed. I noticed I was wrongly accused of falsely claiming strawman arguments. I also noticed Jim ignored this when I ponted it out, and that Dirk failed to acknowledge Jim’s falsehood.

          Nice going guys! Lie for your cause. Really classy!

        • >>
          I know what I noticed. I noticed I was wrongly accused of falsely claiming strawman arguments.
          <<

          I have to drag you kicking and screaming to every point and statement I’ve already made–several times. I know there’s no way to make you read my comments. Sometimes you should fake it.

          Now you want me to drag you kicking and screaming to statements you’ve already made. If you don’t know where you’ve used the strawman accusation, then maybe someone on this site has stolen your identity.

          Jim

        • gator69 says:

          Jim just like when you failed to show a single comment from me that states that alcohol is the most dangerous drug, you cannot show any time where I falsely claimed strawman.

          Give it up, and grow up Jim.

      • cdquarles says:

        This, though, is the basic pharmacological mistake. In terms of intoxication, there *is* no such distinction.

        I got no response to a previous statement. I’m going to say it again. If you’ve ever seen someone delirious from water or salt poisoning, but didn’t know why, you’d never be able to tell the cause by observation.

      • suyts says:

        Gator, you make some really good points, but, I would caution using Portugal as a reference point. What may work in Portugal may not work in other societies/cultures. Further, as we all know, correlation isn’t causation. For instance, one of the points referenced “New HIV infections in drug users fell by 17% between 1999 and 2003, and deaths related to heroin and similar drugs were cut by more than half.” ….. That’s fascinating, but, less than the decline in the general population of the US from 2002-2011. During that time period in the US, new HIV infections dropped by over 1/3. (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hiv-diagnosis-rate-in-u-s-declines-significantly/) So, Portugal’s performance after legalizing drugs is less than the US’s keeping it criminalized. ….. sort of. I know, it’s not apples-to-apples, but, it’s worth noting.

        As to whether or not mj is addictive ……. they don’t call it “chronic” for nothing. Not that I have anything against it, it just is what it is. But, as to equating it with other substances such as heroin, crack, meth, etc …… I’ve known a lot of alchies and potheads. I hate it when I’m out of beer, and I’ve seen some potheads get really pissed when they’re out of weed. But, I’ve never seen either willing to literally sell their bodies to whomever may provide their next drink/smoke. And, for me, that’s where I draw the line. Heroin and other substances literally makes the user a slave (sexual and otherwise) to the provider. I don’t believe any society should tolerate it, much less condone it or assume the role as master/provider.

        • gator69 says:

          James, I am only looking for common ground and common sense. I would be willing to bet that if we legalized MJ we would see hard drug useage drop, as other countries have.

          Why enrich the killers, and incarcerate non-violent recreational users?

          I know where you guys are coming from because I was there once. But now I’m sick of the extreme violence and ruined lives caused by our drug laws. Just as I abhor the money and lives wasted by AGW proponents, I despise the waste of money and lives our drug policies cause. I will not sit by silently while this gross injustice survives.

        • suyts says:

          Gator, you have common ground. I deplore the criminalization of American citizens. I 100% agree our drug laws need changed. I think we’ll see significant progress in this regard in the coming years.

          But, I believe it bears repeating what I’ve stated before ……. Liberty must be constrained in order to be possessed. One cannot possess infinity, nor can one possess nothing. So, lines must be drawn to ensure liberty for the people. For mj, sure, I don’t care if someone wants to get lit, that’s their business, not mine. I enjoy the company of several dopers on a regular basis. But, towards the other drugs, I don’t see it. From heroin, to crack, to PCP, I’ve never known nor seen it to be “victimless”. Even the legal form of prescription drugs has wrecked many lives, as I’m a witness to loved ones who have fell victim to such government sanctioned drug abuse ….. all 100% legal, “safe”, and sanctioned. Indeed, it’s reaching epidemic proportions in the US. And, that’s the best case scenario if we start adding other drugs to the “sanctioned” and legal list.

          BTW, going back to Portugal …….. It’s a mess. While I was not aware of their liberalization of illicit drug use, their implosion as a society and economy is well documented here. They may have reaped some tangential benefits from their liberalization of their drug laws, but, on a whole, they’re not doing very well. But, correlation isn’t causation, so, there’s that.

        • gator69 says:

          See my last post, we crossed.😉

          And as for Portugal’s economic implosion, you can thank Spain, and the EU.

      • cdquarles says:

        Dirk, everyone wouldn’t use heroin If it was legal, so your conditional is false. Anyway, in spite of human nature, the society of the US in the 19th Century was more functional in many ways with these things being legal than the society of the US does, today, with these things being illegal.

  4. Lars P. says:

    Letting addicts shoot up on government property under the supervision of medical professionals.
    Is this not as bad as criminalizing, as it jumps the horse on the other side?
    How is this teaching kids not to use drugs when you prepare a special team to take care and monitor their trips as if this would be something wonderful and special worth of reward? Hell no.
    Just my 2 cents.

  5. Lars P. says:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-24/look-inside-campaign-smear-donald-trump
    “[Various companies are] actually in the business of providing fake protesters for causes, fake entourages for wanna be celebrities and seemingly even fake supporters for [Presidential nomination campaigns].”

  6. Alfred Alexander says:

  7. Lars P. says:

    As the sea level was often reviewed here – a recent post about it by Steven:
    https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2016/02/23/todays-sea-level-fraud-from-the-university-of-colorado/

  8. Latitude says:

    I thought Trump only got the anti-christians, dumb, and non-latins…
    ….now what are they going to say?

  9. DirkH says:

    I looked up the German wikipedia, Heroin was invented by Bayer in 1896. Sale in Germany was only outlawed in 1971 – obviously following the drug use epidemic of the Hippie generation.

    There’s many a psych ward here that harbours wreckage from that generation.

  10. Latitude says:

    thought these were funny….

    -A bullet proof vest wears Putin for protection
    -Death once had a “near-Putin” experience.
    -While in the Russian military, Putin once threw a grenade that killed 50 people, then it exploded.
    -When Putin was born he drove his mother home from the hospital
    -Putin does not play “hide and seek”, he plays “hide and pray I don’t find you”.
    -When he was born, Putin performed his own C-section

    • leftinflagstaff says:

      I get it, Dirk. And I wish the world was so cut and dry. But, I’d have to wonder if my privacy was worth, say, a mushroom cloud over LA.

      • DirkH says:

        You don’t really believe the FBI stops a speedboat with a nuke by spying on your phone?

        • leftinflagstaff says:

          Info & leads can come from anywhere, even in the planning stages.

        • DirkH says:

          FBI has nothing of the kind in mind…
          http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-24/we-just-found-out-real-reason-fbi-wants-backdoor-iphone

          “On its face, the case boils down to a single locked and encrypted iPhone 5S, used by radical jihadist Syed Rizwan Farook before he and his wide Tashfeen Malik killed 14 people in San Bernardino on December 2nd. The DOJ wants Apple to build a backdoor into the device so that it can bypass the company’s state of the art encryption apparatus and access information and evidence related to the case.

          At least, that’s the premise presented to the public.”

          But, they already have ALL HIS COMMUNICATIONS from the servers! And, it’s pointless anyway as Farook and his lovely wife met their demise shortly thereafter.

          “Now, the Wall Street Journal has confirmed that there are actually 12 other iPhones the FBI wants to access in cases that have nothing to do with terrorism. According to an Apple lawyer, these cases are spread all across the country: “Four in Illinois, three in New York, two in California, two in Ohio, and one in Massachusetts.”

          With each of these cases, the FBI’s lawyers cite an 18th-century law called All Writs Act, which they say is the jurisprudence needed to force Apple to comply and bypass their built-in proprietary encryption methods. Is it any wonder the only case the public hears about is the one that involves terrorism?”

        • Just still not sure, that for me, maintaining a false sense of security that allows me to continue to recklessly place important private info and hold personal conversations on a device that is far from private and personal, is worth possibly thousands of lives.

  11. DirkH says:

    gator69 says:
    February 24, 2016 at 4:39 pm
    “What a ridiculous strawman.
    In case you missed it, leaning towards legalization in Portugal decreased useage. Saying that I advocate everyone overdose is simply absurd, and shows you have nothing left to contribute on this thread.
    Your emtional and irrational rants are not helpful.”

    Well I let this stand for the capitulation that it is. Vegans claim their lifestyle is perfectly suited for the human body yet they can’t point at ONE human culture that ever lived vegan. Legalize–everything-proponents cannot point to ONE culture that uses hard drugs the way Europeans use alcohol yet they claim alcohol “ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS DRUGS”. Ain’t that just a little bit funny.

    So. Let’s drop the Heroin, it gets boring. How about the legalization and state-regulated sale of every kind of vicious bath salts concoction? Oh and while we’re at it, we should drop the 40% alcohol limit for spirits in Germany as well (you can’t sell 80% vodka here, it’s illegal).

    • gator69 says:

      Dirk, Germany allows drinking at 16, something we don’t even consider here, because people have been lead to believe it will result in higher addiction rates.

      If heroin were legal, would you try it?

      Get real.

      • DirkH says:

        I did many stupid things as a teenager. Even more stupid things than I do now. As a teen you hang around in groups and usually just go along with all kinds of stupid endeavours.
        Well today I hang around in groups called companies and do more or less stupid things but at least I get paid for it.

        • DirkH says:

          Sort of.

        • gator69 says:

          We all do stupid things as teenagers, and that’s part of the reason we have a legal drinking age of 21. I would never advocate making drugs available to anyone under 21, or maybe even 25.

          The point is that you will never stop useage, but you can regulate it to a degree. And on top of that, we can stop funding narco-terrorism, stop funding street gangs, start funding education, start funding rehab, stop incarcerating useful and non-violent human beings, stop ruining lives with ridiculous drug arrest records, slow hard drug useage, free up police to arrest dangerous people, reduce southern border crossings, and reduce crime.

          Yeah, I must be crazy.

        • >>
          Yeah, I must be crazy.
          <<

          No, just misinformed. Medved covered some of this during his second hour today. Indeed someone called in that sounded exactly like you, gator. Medved recommended the following book:
          The Rise and Fall of Violent Crime in America by Barry Latzer

          Jim

        • gator69 says:

          I’m a Medved fan, but on this topic he is wrong. One book does not invalidate my points. Our policies still enrich the criminals and punish ordinary citizens here and abroad.

          Gator

        • >>
          . . . but on this topic he is wrong.
          <<

          Yup, your mind is made up. Don’t confuse you with the facts.

          Jim

        • gator69 says:

          Actually Jim, my mind was made before I researched the facts, found out I was wrong and then changed my mind.

          Project much?

          Gator

        • Me says:

          Hey Gator, they are all for liberty till it is something they don’t like. then they are all for mob rule and protest!

        • gator69 says:

          Yes me, I have noticed that, and it is disturbing. I smell fear.

        • Me says:

          Now with that said I agree with most of what James says, but not all, I guess this is another one of them things.

        • Me says:

          And still the only one he banned was David you know who, for reasons that was obvious. But I think James is still pretty cool and so I guess he is true to his word. I don’t care for drugs, I don’t take drugs and I don’t trust street drugs, If it were legalised and regulated, maybe, but the crap people buy on the streets, you don’t know what’s mixed in with it. And that goes for MJ, they mix that with crap like you don’t know, and trust me, I won’t go anywhere near it. That’s why I am with you on this, plus hey, they can make tax revenues on the only population that is all against tax except for everyone else that pays their leisure pet projects! It’s time they pay too!

        • Me says:

          And honestly, Yeah, Alchol is bad, Tobacco is bad, apparently now talcum powder is bad, Next crotch rot will be bad again, and atheletes foot and the stupidity, Next school teachers will all come down with some lung cancer because blackboards and dusters.

        • Me says:

          And they it will be blamed on tobacco again, 4th or 5th hand smoke, while when they go out camping the camp fire smoke does nothing, or maybe it’ll some chalk maker now since they got tobacco licked already and won a case against johnson and johnson. So I am with you on the stupid stuff if they want it. Give them liberty!

        • >>
          Project much?
          <<

          Not as much as you, Gator.

          Jim

        • gator69 says:

          Jim, thanks for the “I know you are, but what am I?” 😆

          What happened to your other bogus accusation against me regarding strawmen?

          Grow up.

  12. Latitude says:

    Too funny….China warns US against Trump win….
    Their economy is in the tank because we have no money to buy their crap because we have no jobs….because we sent them all to China
    …and now they are pissing that their gravy train might end

    http://freebeacon.com/politics/china-warns-u-s-after-trump-wins-nevada-caucus/

    • Me says:

      Yeah I said that, a while ago, and I said what OPEC did in the late 70’s early 80’s, and they are at it again well not OPEC but Saudi! They did it in 2008! remember that?

  13. Me says:

    Don’t know it the lyrics is about this but hey, It sounds cool.

  14. Latitude says:

    Is Hillary going for the black vote??…..every audience I’ve seen her with lately has been all black
    …which makes no sense
    Black make up less than 6% of the vote.

    • Me says:

      I don’t think she stands a chance against Trump! Donald don’t care what the media says he don’t care what the pope says, he is doing his thing and doesn’t have to worry about the PC garbage. I hope he stayes true to his words, and makes our PM look like the dope he is too, because there is nothing we can do now. And Our PM needs a reality check.

    • leftinflagstaff says:

      White Liberal guilt controls a much higher percentage than that.

  15. Me says:

    And this one so so fitting here, ya know for one that was claiming me with the church of Metallica! Listen and look, the words are there warning you, But hey???

  16. gator69 says:

    Not so bright Democrats show up at Nevada caucus pretending to be Klansmen in support of Trump…

    #blackhandsmatter

  17. >>
    gator69 says:
    February 24, 2016 at 7:05 pm

    I smell fear.
    <<

    Is that some kind of veiled threat? I can assure you that I was far more concerned about flying a P-3 in the Sea of Okhotsk or the SOJ just after the Soviets shot down KAL 007 than I would ever be discussing drug legalization with a pot smoker who thinks he’s solved the world’s problems.

    If you smell fear, then it’s not from my side of screen.

    Jim

    • gator69 says:

      Nice Jim! Now I’m a pot smoker! Why not go ahead and accuse me of being a heroin addict? If I advocate for gay rights, does that make me gay too?

      Jim, you are afraid of what you do not understand, and your ignorance is your worst enemy, not me.

    • >>
      Why not go ahead and accuse me of being a heroin addict? If I advocate for gay rights, does that make me gay too?
      <<

      Hey! it’s a stawman! Heh.

      >>
      Jim, you are afraid of what you do not understand, and your ignorance is your worst enemy, not me.
      <<

      And there’s a projection.

      Jim

      • gator69 says:

        Poor Jim, he just cannot form a cogent argument, and continues his childish gibberish.

        • It’s a waste of time arguing with you, because you argue like pH. Your arguments are all pot smoking talking points, so it seems likely that you’re a pot smoker advocating for pot smoking.

          The Amsterdam example doesn’t support your position, because it’s not legalization of all drugs–just one and another decriminalized.

          You are sure that alcohol is worst drug on the planet, but you fail to acknowledge that’s it’s legal and the others aren’t. One thing that prohibition did was to drastically reduce alcohol consumption. it also reduced alcoholism. Both good things that you fail to acknowledge.

          Those poor souls in prison are actually drug dealers and pushers. Apparently you never heard of copping a plea for lesser charge of possession. And it saves time and money, something you said you cared about.

          And you continually state that you’ve been where I’ve been, but you’re truly projecting there. I was for 100% drug legalization until I realized how stupid and naive that position was.

          I’d argue more, but my time’s limited..

          Jim

        • gator69 says:

          Oh noes! Jim can’t read!

          I never once said alcohol is the most dangerous drug. Once again Jim lies and insults because he has no argument, and now I am supposed to believe he was for legalization before he was against it.😆

          BTW Jim, I have to be drug tested for my security clearance here at my employer, so no, I am not a pothead. Just as I am not gay but advocated for gay rights, and I am not an atheist but will also defend them when necessary.

          Your childish name calling and lies are all I need to prove my points.

          Thank you.

          Gator

        • >>
          I never once said alcohol is the most dangerous drug. Once again Jim lies and insults because he has no argument, and now I am supposed to believe he was for legalization before he was against it.
          <<

          I don’t know why anyone would make such a statement when there are multiple posts on this site that demonstrate otherwise.
          ——————————————————————-
          >>>>
          gator69 says:
          February 23, 2016 at 4:47 pm

          We already legalized the most deadly drug, and that was 83 years ago.
          <<

          And on the Floors and Ceilings post:
          >>
          gator69 says:
          February 20, 2016 at 12:24 pm

          Alcohol kills more people each year than all illegal drugs combined.
          <<

          >>
          gator69 says:
          February 20, 2016 at 2:31 pm

          You cannot see that alcohol is a dangerous drug, just like those that are now illegal?
          <<

          >>
          gator69 says:
          February 20, 2016 at 3:57 pm

          Why can you not see that alcohol is no different than most recreational drugs, and is actually more dangerous than pot?
          <<

          >>
          gator69 says:
          February 20, 2016 at 4:10 pm

          What I keep pointing out is that alcohol is a dangwerous drug, and actually more dangerous than pot.
          <<

          >>
          gator69 says:
          February 21, 2016 at 7:24 am

          The fact remains that alcohol ruins more lives by far than all illegal drugs combined . . . .
          <<<<
          ——————————————————————-
          >>
          Your childish name calling and lies are all I need to prove my points.
          <<

          I would call that projection of the first order. My question is why do you debate like Phil? Are you a clone of Phil? His alter ego?

          I’ve not called you one name or lied. It’s too bad that you can’t debate like an adult.

          Jim

        • gator69 says:

          Not one of those quotes states that alcohol is the most dangerous drug. Can you not read Jim?

          And yes, you called me a pothead.

          Grow up.

        • >>
          Not one of those quotes states that alcohol is the most dangerous drug.
          <<

          I actually said “worst” not “dangerous.” “Dangerous” was your term.

          >>
          Can you not read Jim?
          <<

          Apparently better than you. Is reading English not your strong suit?

          >>
          And yes, you called me a pothead.
          <<

          Well, you appear to be on something. If you do have a clearance, I can see why you’re hiding behind a pseudonym.

          Jim

        • gator69 says:

          Once again Jim either purposely misrepresents my statements, or he has reading comprehension issues.

          I never said alcohol was the “worst” drug either. Let’s see how long it takes Jim to figure out what I actually said.

        • I like this quote from Heinlein:
          “Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.”

          Jim

        • gator69 says:

          Yes Jim, I sincerely apologize for trying to teach you to sing.😆

          Jim could produce no false strawman claims from me, and no comments from me saying that heroin was the “worst” drug. About all I got from Jim were false accusations, and name calling. Maybe you can’t sing Jim, but you sure can dance.

          Gator

        • Let’s see. Your definition of “never” is about 45 hours and 21 minutes. My definition is considerably longer.

          Jim

        • gator69 says:

          Jim, your grasp of the English language is tenuous at best, so I could not care less what your “defintion” of anything is. You failed, get over it.

          Gator

        • In most civilized debating environments, the first one to make personal and ad hominem attacks is the loser. By my reckoning that was when you started to attack Lat. Lat bowed out because he knew you had lost and the debate was over. Unfortunately, the loser, like the walking dead, just keeps stumbling along without realizing he’s finished.

          Jim

        • gator69 says:

          More projection from Jim who called me a name, instead of debating.

        • >>
          Jim who called me a name
          <<

          A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. — W. Shakespeare

          Jim

        • gator69 says:

          More meaningless trip from Jim, who lost the argument days ago when he called me a name. Right Jim?

          gator

        • Me says:

          So now you are indorceing the arts are ya?

        • Me says:

          There’s a lot of drug use with them arts, if ya didn’t know, And a bit of irony quoting that person, since you are so against it!

        • >>
          So now you are indorceing the arts are ya?
          <<

          I don’t know, Me. What does “indorceing” mean?

          >>
          . . . And a bit of irony quoting that person, since you are so against it!
          <<

          William Shakespeare? Why would I be against William Shakespeare? Despite some controversy, did he deny ownership of his writings as some do with their writings on this blog?

          Jim

        • gator69 says:

          Why would I be against William Shakespeare? Despite some controversy, did he deny ownership of his writings as some do with their writings on this blog?

          Who would that be Jim? I take full responsibility for my posts, which you apparently do not understand, as you have repeatedly misrepresented my posts. Or are you a liar Jim? Stupid or dishonest? Which are you Jim? It is one or the other. Or is it both?

        • My, my, my, Gator. Your debating skills are atrocious. Let me help you out some. When someone says your statement is stupid, that is an opinion–informed or otherwise. When someone says you’re stupid for making that statement, then that is an ad hominem–pure and simple Does that help? Do you need help with the Latin, too?

          Jim

        • gator69 says:

          Jim, by your own metric, you lost the debate when you called me a pothead. Then there are your constant distortions of my posts, which you still deny.

          Grow up.

        • >>
          Then there are your constant distortions of my posts, which you still deny.
          <<

          Keep telling yourself that and you may come to actually believe it. It’s as if Roget never compiled the modern thesaurus.

          >>
          Jim, by your own metric, you lost the debate when you called me a pothead.
          <<

          I have never used that term in this thread or the other thread. You have me confused with someone else. I should start watching that series. Friends tell me “The Walking Dead” is worth it.

          Jim

        • gator69 says:

          Jim Masterson says:
          February 27, 2016 at 4:49 pm
          I have never used that term in this thread or the other thread.

          You are right Jim, please accept my apologies for not getting the terminology correct.

          Jim Masterson says:
          February 25, 2016 at 11:47 am
          I can assure you that I was far more concerned about flying a P-3 in the Sea of Okhotsk or the SOJ just after the Soviets shot down KAL 007 than I would ever be discussing drug legalization with a pot smoker who thinks he’s solved the world’s problems.

          Grow up Jim.

        • Thanks for the apology, Gator. It’s greatly appreciated.

          Jim

        • gator69 says:

          Well, one of us has to be a man.

        • Me says:

          Yes Jim I should have spelled it right, Endorceing, not like you don’t know the meaning or intent but hey play your silly games, and hey maybe you should be quoting someone that doesn’t have a problem with hard drugs or look like you do when you quote someone that does. And again Shakespeare, really, the leftist golden artisey fartisey golden egg, of everything! I guess it must be the clique culture thang\meme! Err something!

        • Me says:

          Jim did you like that satire, err was that scarism? LOL! Ya know where you thought Gator apologised to you? LOL! Man, you satired the hell out of him right! LOL!

        • Me says:

          Boom, Gator satires you back! LOL!

  18. DirkH says:

    Me says:
    February 24, 2016 at 6:59 pm
    “Hey Gator, they are all for liberty till it is something they don’t like. then they are all for mob rule and protest!”
    gator69 says:
    February 24, 2016 at 7:05 pm
    “Yes me, I have noticed that, and it is disturbing. I smell fear.”

    Well it’s one thing to uphold the lofty ideal of ultimate freedom, and the other thing is reality.

    My argument, which is repeatedly called a strawman by gator, is this:
    I have the existence proof of thriving successful societies in which alcohol is legal, and more or less regularly used by huge parts of the population – while gator calls alcohol one of the most dangerous drugs in existence. Now, maybe alcohol is not for gator or his family, I don’t know the backstory but he’s obviously very concerned about alcohol consumption.

    So if alcohol is THAT dangerous yet we function as a society with it, is it too much to ask for historic examples of societies in which the – according to gator – LESSER evil of Opium or Heroin is consumed by large parts of the population? And the only example I come up with is Chinese society after the Brits enabled and even enforced widespread Opium addiction. Which threw back the rich and highly developed Chinese society hundreds of years.

    Are you people also against food standards? You know, throughout history the most dangerous human activity was EATING. Spoiled, rotten and poisoned food killed more than all infectious diseases and genocides together – and of course this cause of death was so commonplace that nobody talks about it.

    • DirkH says:

      And, gator will doubtlessly answer, “But I only want to stop the bloodshed of the crime syndicates!”

      THAT is a PRAGMATIC argument. Not one based in libertarianism or philosophy. So suddenly coming up with
      “Hey Gator, they are all for liberty till it is something they don’t like. then they are all for mob rule and protest!”
      shifts the goalposts by a mile.

      • gator69 says:

        Stopping narcoterrorism which has murdered well over 100,000 Mexicans is one argument of about a dozen that I have made Dirk. And you dismiss this along with liberty, very telling.

        • DirkH says:

          So we are leading a hodgepodge of arguments here? And every one of the arguments speaks for the legalization of Heroin? Fine. Because that means that every person who dies of Heroin addiction is an argument for abolishing it, and the argument is valid because you declared all arguments to be valid.

        • gator69 says:

          By your logic every alcohol related death is a reason to bring back Prohibition.

    • gator69 says:

      Let’s see if Dirk answers my question this time.

      If heoin is made legal, will you try it Dirk? How about your family?

      We don’t have many modern examples to go with when it comes to decriminalization/legalization, but we do have Portugal, which destroys Dirk’s argument.

      And yes, putting up a scenario where everyone does heroin is a strawman, as it is pure fantasy.

      I would love to have an honest debate on this subject, but finding honest Prohibitionists is seeming next to impossible.

      • DirkH says:

        Portugal did decriminialization of small users just like Netherland, Germany, you name it.

        “If heoin is made legal, will you try it Dirk? How about your family? ”

        What does that have to do with anything. You claimed alcohol to be more dangerous than Heroin. So there should be societies where alcohol is illegal, Heroin is legal, and they should be more successful than ours, which is plagued by the deadly drug alcohol.

        I give you China for the wrecking effect of Opium and you have nothing. Is that argument so incomprehensible? It seems so. Do I speak in tongues?

      • DirkH says:

        But, just for the fun of it, no I won’t take Heroin even if its legal and neither will anyone in my family.

        You know why?

        Because I’m this dishonest cunning manipulative prohibitionist and will send them right to the cold turkey psych ward if they do.

        To save them.

        • gator69 says:

          Because I’m this dishonest cunning manipulative prohibitionist…

          The first step of recovery is admitting you have a problem.😉

    • Me says:

      Alchol is just as and no more dangerous as any other controlled substance out there. Alchol can be used to treat bacterial infections or abused to cause death, The same as any other drugs out there!

  19. DirkH says:

    When hoverboarding to work, make sure you charge up the thing first. GIF video.

  20. DirkH says:

    So I looked. Heroin was only outlawed in 1971 in Germany, and invented in 1896. So how available was it via official channels? Turns out, from the Versaille treaty on, Germany was forced to enact the decisions of the Opium conference; making it a controlled substance only available via pharmacies with a prescription, same for Cocaine. Both were produced by the proto IG farben companies Bayer, Hoechst et al.

    Berlin was awash with Cocaine and Heroin; obtained with crudely forged prescriptions, willingly sold by pharmacies, feeding into street supply channels from there. The state didn’t do much about it – as Cocaine and Heroin was one of the few export goods with a near-monopoly for the world leading German chemical industry.

    That’s how Berlin became the roaring 20ies madhouse depicted in Cabaret, the movie etc.
    ( http://www.geschichtsforum.de/f63/drogen-der-weimarer-republik-21544/ )

    It never lost its role as Heroin capital. As David Bowie and Iggy Pop could attest.

    Berlin is probably the Western city closest to the existence proof of a Heroin fueled society.

    Well is it viable. No. Berlin is subsidized to the tune of 3 bn EUR a year by the other Bundesländer. Crime is rampant, not helped by mass islamisation. North African drug dealers provide ample supplies, not deterred at all by the powerless police.

    Munich , to contrast this, has the zero tolerance policy more common in Germany. Everything is the exact opposite here – accidentally, I currently AM in Munich. The city is productive, clean, ridiculously low crime rate for a city this size. I see loads of North Africans in the subway but they never peddled wares to me – in Berlin you get talked to the moment you leave the train.

    Well anyway. What I’m getting at is this: Even in the Weimar republic there were controls on who gets to buy Heroin. And the moment you have the slightest control on that, a black market and gangs who run it emerge, it’s inevitable. (called Ringvereine in the Weimar republic, what we would call Cartels today.)

    So gator’s proposal would only eliminate criminal structures if there were NO CHECKS AT ALL on the sale. That’s how much people love Heroin. Or, need it once their hooked. Which happens quickly. That’s why it was such a booming business for the Weimar Republic and the IG Farben companies.

    So we had our share of the international drug trade…

    • DirkH says:

      From the old term Ringvereine comes the more modern German term Drogenring, drug ring. Meaning, drug gang or drug cartel.

    • gator69 says:

      It has been amusing reading the knee jerk “heroin” rhetoric from you guys, as it is the same reaction every time the topic of legalizing drugs comes up. So I played the devil’s advocate and had the pleasure of watching at least one head explode!😆

      Personally, I think heroin is pure poison. I am not for legalizing it. What I am for, is legalizing MJ, becuse that would likely reduce useage of hard drugs, even harder than alcohol. Legalization of MJ would also likely reduce alcoholism.

      I know for a fact that alcohol is far more dangerous than pot ever could be. I have never said it is the most dangerous drug, but dishonest parties, or parties that have reading comprehension issues have said otherwise.

      So once again, we are making things worse with our current policies, we need to find some common ground and stop the madness. Anyone willing to have a reasoned discussion, or would you rather misconstrue my statements, create strawmen, and name call?

  21. Lars P. says:

    http://wolfstreet.com/2016/02/25/renewables-giant-abengoa-sacks-creditors-in-the-us-spain-mexico-brazil/
    Global renewable giant…. What can go wrong?
    If one looks at the wikipedia page everything is looking bright with 120+ million in profit (2014)…
    if one looks at wolf’s post, everything was just painted pink on the outside without much in the inside…

  22. Latitude says:

    These career politicians are so out of touch it’s scary…
    ….Rubio does not realize his attacks are an endorsement

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CAMPAIGN_2016?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-02-26-07-13-29

  23. Latitude says:

    …and yet, even another reason to vote for Trump
    These self centered pieces of sh*t don’t realize…..the wrong people are telling me not to vote for Trump

    http://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/chomsky-trumps-rise-fueled-by-same-societal-breakdown-that-birthed-hitler/

  24. Latitude says:

    ..and now….some of the right people are telling me to vote for Trump

    http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/26/chris-christie-endorses-donald-trump/

  25. Latitude says:

    and the usual wrong people are telling me not to vote for Trump….
    Not because of the subject…but because of the flat out lying
    Trump got the educated, upper crust vote too.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/27/us/politics/marco-rubio-entices-a-receptive-constituency-the-well-to-do.html

  26. Latitude says:

    Something I will never understand…
    We have to increase the minimum wage because people can’t live on it…
    …while at the same time importing illegals that work for less money and undermine the entire system

    This article makes a lot of sense…

    Trump and the Rise of the Unprotected
    Why political professionals are struggling to make sense of the world they created.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-and-the-rise-of-the-unprotected-1456448550

  27. gator69 says:

    Teens Who Allegedly Knocked Decorated Marine Unconscious After Asking Him if ‘Black Lives Matter’ Won’t Be Charged With Hate Crime

    The two teenagers who were arrested after allegedly attacking a decorated Marine veteran in Washington, D.C., won’t face hate crime charges, despite reportedly asking him if “black lives matter” and calling him a “racist.”

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/02/24/teens-who-knocked-decorated-marine-unconscious-after-asking-him-if-black-lives-matter-wont-be-charged-with-hate-crime/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Firewire%20Morning%20Edition%20Recurring%20v2%202016-02-25&utm_term=Firewire_Morning_Test

    Why won’t they say “two blacks”? Talk about pandering! This is super-pandering, bordering upon complete surrender. The terrorists have won.

    As an aside, my brother in DC says this is getting little to no attention locally. Who is surprised?

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