Mars Has Water!!??!!!!

Well, apparently, so.

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Admittedly, this is not my forte.  But, it’s interesting, as are the implications.

Mars has flowing liquid water, NASA confirms

NASA has confirmed the existence of flowing liquid salty water on Mars, fueling the possibility of life on the Red Planet.

“Today, we’re revolutionizing our understanding of the planet,” said Jim Green, director of planetary science at NASA Headquarters in Washington, during a press conference Monday. “Mars is not the dry, arid planet that we thought of in the past – under certain circumstances, liquid water has been found on Mars.”

These dark, narrow, 100 meter-long streaks called recurring slope lineae flowing downhill on Mars are inferred to have been formed by contemporary flowing water. (Credits: NASA/JPL/University of Arizona)

Speculation has been mounting that NASA’s announcement would involve flowing water. Scientists have long known that there is frozen water at Mars’ poles, but they have never discovered liquid water. The discovery could have huge consequences for future expeditions, including NASA’s goal of sending a manned mission to Mars by the 2030s.

Scientists have based their findings on an analysis of the mysterious dark streaks on Mars’ surface called Recurring Slope Lineae (RSL). The streaks have intrigued scientists for some time, fading during cooler months and recurring annually at nearly the same locations. “The dark streaks form in late spring, grow through the summer and disappear by the fall,” explained Michael Meyer, lead scientist for the Mars Exploration Program at NASA Headquarters.

Using an an imaging spectrometer on NASA’s Mars Reconnaissance Obiter (MRO), scientists detected signatures of hydrated minerals on slopes where the streaks occur. Experts believe that the hydrated salts are likely a mixture of magnesium perchlorate, magnesium chlorate and sodium perchlorate.

Dark narrow streaks called recurring slope lineae emanating out of the walls of Garni crater on Mars. (Credits: NASA/JPL/University of Arizona)

Mary Beth Wilhelm of NASA’s Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, Calif. and the Georgia Institute of Technology said the evidence of salty water could have major implications. “Our results may point to more habitable conditions on the near surface of Mars than formerly thought,” she said.

“This is tremendously exciting,” added Green. “We now have a great opportunity to be in the right locations to investigate that.”

The spectrometer observations show signatures of hydrated salts at multiple RSL locations, but only when the dark features were relatively wide, according to NASA. When the researchers looked at the same locations and RSL weren’t as extensive, they detected no hydrated salt.

Armed with the latest RSL findings, scientists are keen to undertake more research over the coming years. “The only way that we will be able to tell if there is life on Mars will be to bring a sample back,” said Meyer.

Chris Carberry, executive director of Explore Mars, a non-profit organization that aims to advance the goal of sending humans to Mars within the next two decades, welcomed Monday’s NASA announcement. “We’ve been speculating about whether there is liquid water on Mars for some time, but now that it has been confirmed, it might have some significant implications,” he told FoxNews.com. “First, it greatly enhances the chances of past or present life on Mars.  Everywhere there is liquid water on  earth, there is life. Is that true on Mars? We don’t know.”

Carberry added that water on Mars could also benefit future explorers. “If they can access the water, it will add significantly to the sustainability of human presence on Mars,” he said.

All that’s great and fine, but, I think it would be better to test and examine the things from Mars, on Mars, or an orbiting vehicle, rather than bring substances, unknown to the Earth, to the Earth. 

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25 Responses to Mars Has Water!!??!!!!

  1. leftinflagstaff says:

    Ice melts on Mars, too? Egads! My CO2 has universal impact!

  2. I. Lou Minotti says:

    Genesis chapters 1 through three describe God’s Creation. In a nutshell, He created a nest for the crown of His creation, human beings. On one planet, and one planet only–Earth. That was immediately after He created a nest for His angels, which is called the heavens. A comparison of Genesis 1:1 and Job 38:7 will reveal this truth.

    There are no Martians or “outer space visitors” from another planet out there somewhere in God’s created order. Satan’s deceiving demons, however, will manifest themselves as “angels of light” whether they appear by unexplained “phenomena” in the night skies (darkness) over New Mexico or world (and local) governments led by “progressives,” that progressively run away from biblical truth. And churches that do the same.

      • I. Lou Minotti says:

        Alfred, you are one good man. Lord bless you and yours, sir. Thanks for being a contributor and encourager. Lord knows, true Christians that have the heart and backbone to run an honest website like this need all the encouragement they can get.

    • Lars P. says:

      Dear Lou, when in front of such affirmations, I try to think at what we are talking about.

      At scale, with the Earth as big as an orange, the solar system would be many miles wide.
      It is incredible huge, one needs to be able to visualize this to be able to try to understand the distances. Some guys did a small youtube video on this, it is worth to look at it.
      Only our solar system has 8 planets and many moons from which some could have life in simple forms, but it is only our solar system.

      Voyager has left the solar system many years ago, flying with some 100.000 miles per hour. It is now, after some 40 years at about 12 hours-light distance from us. Not even a light-day distance. Half a light-day distance.

      The trip to next star is about 4 light-years long. That is the closest to us. Proxima Centauri if I correctly remember.

      Only our galaxy, the Milky Way has about 100.000.000.000 stars.
      I bet that each of those has at least one planet if not many more around. We start finding those, and until now we have identified some 1000 planets, list growing.

      Our galaxy is about 100.000 light-years wide.
      But the next one is at about 3.000.000 light-years.
      That is huge! Enormous empty space and then next, the closest galaxy.

      However if we look all around, there are more galaxies out there then stars in our galaxy. There are more galaxies then all the humans that ever lived on Earth and more stars in our galaxy then the number of humans that lived on Earth.

      The universe as we see it is about 90 billion light-years wide. This includes all stars and galaxies from the above list, however analysis and calculations let us think that the universe is at least 250 times bigger then this.
      Do you realize how huge that is? I not. I try to grasp it, but these are only numbers that I go through, the size is much beyond our mind.
      So, in front of these numbers that are beyond our grasp, to think that all this was done only for us looks so very very presumptuous to me.

      • DirkH says:

        These are all assumptions of the current cosmologies (which change every 3 months).
        For instance the distance and age estimates are based on the idea of red shift through motion. Don’t gravity wells redshift as well? Ah, too complicated, let’s ignore that. Gravity works instantaneous otherwise stable orbits are not possible. Ah let’s ignore that too.

        My grandfather gave me a book about cosmology when I was 10. I was fascinated and for a while wanted to become an astronomer. Most of that book from the 70ies is discarded today.

        What we can say is that we see things in the sky.

        • Lars P. says:

          Well, yes and no.
          The size of our solar system, number of stars in the Milky Way, the number of Galaxies are not assumptions based on the red shift.
          Also the distance to Andromeda – which is the nearest major Galaxy – 4 different methods have been used to estimate the distance:
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andromeda_Galaxy
          The number of stars in Andromeda of 200-400 billion

          Then supernovae have been used to estimate distances for the “nearby” Galaxies.
          In the Hubble deep field some 3000 Galaxies have been identified:

          So yes, I agree the redshift assumption is very probably wrong, but the size of the Universe is by no means smaller because of that 🙂

        • Lars P. says:

          referring the speed of gravity – van Flanders has some nice calculations here:
          http://www.ldolphin.org/vanFlandern/gravityspeed.html
          referring redshift – Halton Arp has an interesting theory where he shows that if matter “ages” – has a time factor built in, there is no need of the cosmological constant in Einstein equations:
          http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Redshifts-Cosmology-Academic/dp/0968368905

        • DirkH says:

          Instantaneous propagation of gravity means that stellar bodies communicate instantaneously.

        • Lars P. says:

          “Instantaneous propagation of gravity means that stellar bodies communicate instantaneously.”
          Hey Dirk, I am confused, did you read Van Flanders article?

        • DirkH says:

          Yes. What I want to emphasize is that information transmission happens with FTL speed.

      • I. Lou Minotti says:

        Dear Brother Lars P,

        I agree with your assessment of the astronomical numbers, sir. They’re enormous. But I also believe presumption can work both ways. Being a thinking man as you obviously are (and there’s too few of us left, my friend), allow me to share a paragraph or two from one of my beloved seminary professors concerning this topic of discussion. He’s far more articulate about the subject than I could ever be:

        “As he tended his father’s sheep by night and gazed into the heavens, David was overwhelmed by the magnitude of God’s starry universe. Could a God of such transcendence have any real interest in these mere specks of cosmic dust called men? Astronomy as such could provide no comfort for David in this desperately crucial problem; and the enormous advances in astronomical knowledge we have experienced since his day still leave us in utter darkness. Modern astronomers [scientists], peering through gigantic telescopes, have yet to discover a single trace of the grace and love of God anywhere [else] in the universe.

        “All true Christians would agree that the answer to this question must come from the inscripturated Word of God and from there alone. It was to the first chapter of Genesis that David appealed as his source of assurance that God created man a little lower than Elohim (the realm of deity) and crowned him with glory and honor, giving him dominion over all creation (Ps. 8:5-8; cf. Gen. 1:26-28). In spite of the conspicuous failure of natural revelation at this point, however, special revelation [the Bible–given by an uncapricious, truthful, good God] assures us that the human race is the object of God’s loving concern, and one human being is more important to God than all the stupendous galaxies of the universe.”

        ~Dr. John C. Whitcomb, “The Early Earth,” (Winona Lake, IN: BMH Books, 1986), p. 115, [bracketed commentary mine].

        Far from being “presumptuous,” I believe, is the truth that we fail to hit our knees enough in thanksgiving and worship for how our beautiful, loving Creator, Savior and Lord has provided for the crown of His creation both temporally and eternally. If they’ll have it, that is.

        “Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways! For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who became His counselor? Or who has first given to Him that it might be paid back to Him again? For from Him and through Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen” (Rom. 11:33-36).

  3. Lars P. says:

    Well, Mars has huge water reserves, this is actually well documented in form of ice – with actually huge icebergs under the surface.

    “NASA has confirmed the existence of flowing liquid salty water on Mars, fueling the possibility of life on the Red Planet”
    I would not think that life thrives on Mars’ surface – even if there are these salt water flows, but rather under the surface in form of Archae or other such microorganisms. My personal guess is a 90-95% possibility that such life exists on Mars. Less radiation down there under the surface, better place to develop life (and of course liquid water).
    We found Archae here on Earth at 4 km depth or more.

    Would be very interesting to see if such are found, if they evolved to multi-cellular forms and if they have any resemblance with our Earth life proteins. Remember our DNA has 4 main basis.Is that life also built based on DNA or something similar?

    There are oceans of liquid water on many moons. As we know life existing in the depth of the oceans not based on sunlight, but on hot water sources, there can be chains of life on these moons – which due to liquid water in high quantity – might evolve to even higher life-forms then on Mars.
    http://www.space.com/30598-saturn-moon-enceladus-sample-return-mission.html

    However it does not matter how intelligent a flipper-like life form would be, it would not be able to handle tools. Only some squid would be able to do that, but then you do not have fire under the water, that might limit the ways of development and make it more difficult, but who knows…

  4. Latitude says:

    at that pressure…I thought water would boil

  5. DirkH says:

    Current news from Germany:

    – Hijra speed is currently 10,000 a day. We didn’t get numbers from the Drecksmedia for days but they couldn’t hold it back any longer. These people are rushed in in dedicated trains from Austria and Hungary without stop to destinations like NRW, Hanover, Berlin.
    (So the ruling CDU has ramped up speed AGAIN, from my latest estimate of 40,000 a week)

    – Hamburg, Bremen and other left-green places plan property seizure of empty houses to place Hijra-Muslims in them. Owners will be forced to take them as renters, state will pay rent. (Not negotiable)
    As this would be a coerced rent contract, owner should be responsible for repairing damage. Big fun. Of course the Leftgreens have wet pants over getting to introduce this piece of socialism.
    According enablement laws will be passed this year.

    – We had the first attempt by a hundred Hijra Muslims to loot storages of “distribution goods”.
    I think this was a test run, the well organized Million Muslims army will now spread info about how it went down via their smartphone network, and fine-tune their looting/rioting tactics.
    Oh – in fact it was the welfare office in Halle, and it was the day when the Hijra-Muslims get their “pocket money”. So they probably were after the money. Well that’s what you do when you escape from war, you try to rob the country that agrees to protect you – when you’re a Muslim.
    http://www.mdr.de/sachsen-anhalt/halle/tumulte-sozialamt-halle100.html

    • DirkH says:

      Cities are already having spies run the streets to try and spot unoccupied flats in preparation for the seizures. Sources say.

    • Lars P. says:

      “– Hamburg, Bremen and other left-green places plan property seizure”
      Maybe it is a good learning for people to continue to vote left-green.
      Winter is coming soon, I think the flow of immigrants will have to get a little down. The Balkans can be unpleasant in winter, and Germany too. Some might have a bad surprise in snow.
      Wondering how this will end…
      At the other end, possibly Syria is pacified in 3-4 month unless some new developments happens.

  6. DirkH says:

    Hungarian woman fluent in Arabic was able to understand what the mass of Arab migrants in her train wagon spoke about her and Westerners in general, switch on English subtitles with youtube menu. They discussed whether it would please Allah to rape her , whether to rob the Europeans on board etc.

  7. DirkH says:

    Swede claims to have found new way to fusion.
    http://www2.chem.gu.se/~holmlid/
    Göteborg, Sweden, Laser, Fusion, ultra-dense Deuterium

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