Repub Fox News Debate!!!!

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Well, it’s way too damned early for this crap!  I had no intention on writing about this.  However, there was some significance to the debate, and so, I thought I’d jot a line.  Here’s the most noteworthy of the debate ……DEBATE A

SMASH  Fox News hits ratings record with GOP debate

WASHINGTON –  Fox News Channel made ratings history Thursday night with the widely watched Republican presidential primary debate in Cleveland.

More than 24 million viewers tuned in to watch the two-hour prime-time event which featured the top 10 GOP candidates in the running for the 2016 presidential nomination. That makes it the highest-rated primary debate in television history as well as the highest-rated non-sports cable telecast of all time in total viewers.

According to Nielsen Media Research, an average viewership of 24 million for one telecast is more than the combined viewers that watched the top 20 cable networks last week. 

The night’s ratings also eclipsed Game 7 of the 2014 World Series which drew in an average of 23.5 million viewers. 

The cable news network pulled in 7.9 million viewers in the key 25-54 demographic.  

Moderated by Fox News anchors Megyn Kelly, Chris Wallace and Bret Baier, the debate was the network’s most-watched program ever in both total viewers and the demo. The Thursday debate more than doubled the network’s previous high of 11.8 million total viewers, earned during the coverage of the 2012 presidential election.

The evening’s 5 p.m. debate between the seven Republican candidates who did not make the primetime cut averaged 6.1 million total viewers and 1.2 million viewers in the 25-54 demographic, which made it the third-highest primary presidential debate ever for the network.

Both debates were hosted by Fox News and Facebook, in conjunction with the Ohio Republican Party.

As noted by a couple readers, here, the debate(s) had little substance as far as policy and ideas and specifics of said were severely lacking. 

Disclaimer!!!!  I didn’t watch the debates, only snippets and read the coverage. 

From what I can discern, if you’re really into one particular candidate, you would think they did an okay job.  But, that doesn’t mean there weren’t some real winners and losers in the debates.  Even if you watched the entire mind numbing 4 hours of the two debates your opinion won’t count as much as the media spin after the debates.  That said, the debate set a record for viewership, so, there’s only so much spin the media can do. 

The big ones!      In my humble opinion, after this debate, if you like Trump, you’re still going to like Trump.  The appeal of Trump largely comes from people who want people to stick a thumb in the eye of the media, the concern trolls, and the politically correct obsessed.  Trump continued to do so.  However, he didn’t win any more supporters, either.  I’ll tell readers this ….. 25% of the Republicans won’t get you elected president.  I would expect Trump to do well towards the independents and even some non-committed Dims in relation to the other candidates, but, he’s going to have to do the things to win over more Repubs, or, he’s not going to get from here to there.  As noted by readers, specifics on how he’s to secure the border would do wonders.  …….. The media liked Rubio.  Rand Paul probably didn’t do himself any favors, other than solidify his support.  Ted Cruz got a bump from the Fox Focus group, and had the most Google hits during the debate, which surprises me ……… you’re watching the debate, but, have to Google Cruz?  What?  ……….  The rest, as far as I can tell, did “okay”.  That is, they didn’t really hurt themselves, but, they didn’t help themselves much, either.  But, in a field this large, if you don’t help yourself, you’re hurting yourself. 

At the kiddy table debate, Fiorina was the clear media winner.  From what I could see, she was poised and polished, and the others weren’t. 

But, how did the leftards view it?  Well, it doesn’t matter ….. except for the fact that the media types are leftards.  But, here’s how a HuffPo article framed it …..

Dick Cheney Was The Real Winner Of The First Republican Debate

Now, remembering what I just wrote about Fiorina and the leftards, read this …..

Former Vice President Dick Cheney’s spirit is apparently as immortal as his earthly vessel. 

At Thursday evening’s GOP candidate forum in Cleveland, Cheney’s foreign policy vision was very much alive as various presidential hopefuls vowed to re-invade Iraq, send troops to Syria, spy on mosques here in America and get tough with Iran by scrapping President Barack Obama’s diplomatic approach.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) explicitly promised — twice — to invade Iraq again. “If you’re running for president of the United States and you don’t understand that we need more American ground forces in Iraq and that America has to be part of a regional ground force that will go into Syria and destroy ISIL in Syria, then you’re not ready to be commander in chief,” Graham said, referring the Islamic State militant group, which is also known as ISIL or ISIS. “And you’re not serious about destroying ISIL.”

Even former New York Gov. George Pataki, generally viewed as one of the most moderate candidates among the GOP pack, appeared to commit to sending more U.S. troops to the Middle East, saying that it was “necessary” to put American lives at risk to “destroy ISIS.”

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal said he would focus on “killing murderous, evil terrorists” and “take the political handcuffs off the military.” He accused Obama of lacking the “moral honesty and clarity to say that Islam has a problem, and that problem is radical Islam.”

Several candidates suggested they’d scrap the nuclear deal recently reached between the U.S., Iran and five world powers. Former Texas Gov. Rick Perry pledged that if he were elected president, “the first thing that I will do is tear up that agreement with Iran.”

Carly Fiorina, the former Hewlett-Packard CEO whom many in the media dubbed the winner of the debate, said the Islamic Republic was “at the heart of most evil in the Middle East.” She pledged to call the supreme leader on her first day in office to tell him the U.S. would block Iran’s access to the world financial system unless his country opened “every nuclear and every military facility to full, open, anytime/anywhere, for real, inspections” (after calling Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and reassuring him of the U.S.’s commitment to Israeli security, of course).

Former Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore called for “a Middle East NATO so that we can combine our allies there to stand up to Iranian expansion” and “stop this ISIL thing before it becomes an actual state.”

Fox News debate moderator Martha MacCallum asked the candidates “how far” they’d go to “root out” ISIS at home in the U.S., and whether they’d “put mosques, for example, potentially, under surveillance.” Never mind that mosques are already under surveillance — candidates were still eager to promise to crack down.

“Martha, religious liberty doesn’t include encouraging a fellow American to engage in violent jihad and kill an American here,” Pataki responded. “That is not protected free speech. That is not protected religious belief. That is like shouting ‘fire’ in a crowded theater, and it is illegal.”

“We have to shut down — whether or not they are in prisons preaching — or in mosques preaching,” Pataki added.

“If I have to monitor a mosque, I’ll monitor a mosque,” Graham said.

The only candidate who came anywhere near acknowledging the complexity of the situation in the Middle East — much less the capacity for U.S. military action to escalate violent tensions in the region — was Fiorina.

“Yes, our allies are not perfect,” she said in response to a question about U.S. allies funneling money to terrorist groups.

Still, Fiorina began her response with a phrase that could have summed up many of the candidates’ Cheneyesque takes on foreign policy: “Sometimes it’s a complicated situation, but some things are black and white.”

For more GOP debate coverage, visit our liveblog.

CORRECTION: This article has been corrected to more accurately reflect Fiorina’s comments on Iran’s nuclear program.

I’ve stated before, and I’ll state it again, I will not vote for Fiorina. 

I find it a bit disingenuous, or perhaps, self-deceiving of HuffPo to not recognize all of the entanglements Obama has put us in.  We already have boots on the ground in Iraq.  We’re still in Afghanistan.  We’re in Yemen, fighting.  We’ve been to Libya, and, are sponsoring fighters in Syria …… albeit pathetic fighters, sent over via the Turkey border.  We’re arming the Ukrainians against Russia.  ….. one can argue the merits of each case …. or the lack of merits, but, how’s this better or worse than Cheney’s advocacy?

Anyway, that’s my take!     

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48 Responses to Repub Fox News Debate!!!!

  1. kim2ooo says:

    Reblogged this on Climate Ponderings and commented:
    GOOD READ!

  2. Latitude says:

    25% of the Republicans won’t get you elected president…

    Then none will win…because the second place is less than half that…Monmouth has Trump at 53%..but his ratings after the debate have not come out yet

    I’m sick of Fox right now….even Graham came to Trumps defence and blasted Fox

    Wallace made Trumps point better than Trump even could have….Wallace tried to zing him about going bankrupt…..Trump bitch slapped Wallace and told him “I’m worth 10 billion” and this country is 19 trillion in debt.
    Exactly what I want…a man that’s been down and knows how to get back up again……

  3. Latitude says:

    The appeal of Trump largely comes from people who want people to stick a thumb in the eye of the media, the concern trolls, and the politically correct obsessed.
    ===
    You might want to broaden this a tad….

    Trump took a debate that five people would have tuned in….but slept through….and turned it into the highest rated TV show in history
    ..and it was 100% because of Trump
    His appeal is a whole lot broader than that…

    • suyts says:

      But, it doesn’t increase from this debate. Yeh, sure, people tuned in. So, what? What did he say of substance? ….. I got busy so I didn’t write a post I should have. Trumps biggest strength is that he doesn’t mind the limelight, regardless. Anyone can go after Trump and he’ll fire back. In his mind that works! And, it does! ….for the most part

      • squid2112 says:

        What did he say of substance?

        Not much, and that was the problem, and not one of Trump’s. There were (as you stated) few questions of substance. Most of what Trump got were closer to statements and attacks than they were questions. This to me was hugely disappointing. I wanted to know specifics and details about particular subject matter. Fox News provided none of that. It was a dog and pony show and a complete waste of time. Fox News owes me my evening back. The kiddie table debate blew away the primetime debate in every regard. Sad, very sad.

      • squid2112 says:

        By the way, there was an 80minute section where we didn’t hear or even see Ted Cruz. … yes, 80 freaking minutes! … The moderators themselves consumed 32% of the time…. Absolutely pathetic!

      • Latitude says:

        I agree…but that was the moderators. They were too busy asking gotcha questions…when did you stop beating your wife….and didn’t ask any questions with substance
        Fox really stinks….

        • kim2ooo says:

          “On Thursday night Kelly’s first question to Trump was as follows:

          “You’ve called women you don’t like ‘fat pigs, dogs, slobs, and disgusting animals.'” He interrupted to say “only Rosie O’Donnell,” and she shut him down: “No, it wasn’t.”

          She continued: “Your Twitter account has several disparaging comments about women’s looks. You once told a contestant on ‘Celebrity Apprentice’ it would be a pretty picture to see her on her knees. Does that sound to you like the temperament of a man we should elect as president, and how will you answer the charge from Hillary Clinton, who was likely to be the Democratic nominee, that you are part of the war on women?”

          ‘I got out there they start saying all this stuff… she gets out and she starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions. You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever… you could see she was off-base.’ – Donald Trump

          Disagree with Mr. Trump.. get vilified.

          Have you read his TWEETER pages?

          The other day he riled against Mr. McCain for calling his followers “CRAZY”.
          Go against him:

          Frank Luntz focus group, convened by Fox and televised immediately after the debate, that had an anti-Trump tone.

          Trump was incensed by the focus group.

          “Where did you find that dumb panel” he asked Luntz via Twitter.

          He also tweeted that Luntz is “a low class slob who came to my office looking for consulting work and I had zero interest. Now he picks anti-Trump panels!”

          I rest my Case………

          OBAMA with a LOUDER VOICE… vilify.

          I

        • kim2ooo says:

          squid2112 says:

          August 8, 2015 at 11:52 am

          Mark Levin had a great segment late yesterday. A must listen piece (in my opinion) http://www.mediaite.com/online/mark-levin-goes-off-on-fox-megyn-kelly-over-debate-they-had-ratings-agenda/

          I think a lot of us feel the same way. Thanks for the link.

  4. thallstd says:

    “I’ve stated before, and I’ll state it again, I will not vote for Fiorina.” I must have missed your prior declarations to this effect and presumably your reasoning. Just seems a bit early to me to be ruling anyone out so am curious why you have omitted her from you list of possibles.

    • suyts says:

      Her work at HP. She is entirely and uniquely unqualified to be POTUS. She was telling American tech workers to “get over it”, as she off-shored American jobs. All at the same time, she drove HP to a third tier tech company, from a first tier. The board finally dumped her because of her incompetence.

      If you can f*ck up HP when they were #2 in the world ……screw American workers at the same time ….. all the while advocating increases of H1B workers in congressional testimony …….. No, I’d send her to hell were it not for my constraint.

      But, that’s just her business sense …..and grasps of economics. Those are her better positions. She despises moral conservatives.

      • DirkH says:

        I’m torn apart on her breakdown of HP. While the instruments division was world class, it was probably oversized, unprofitable and lazy, as engineering divisions tend to get when you don’t decimate them from time to time. Building ever more needlessly complicated products that produce ever less value.

        I regularly see such shops from the inside in the automotive and other sectors. As an outsider you stare in bewilderment at the EXPLODING complexity and cost of even minor projects. Sometimes it takes a machete to get through it.

      • thallstd says:

        Thanks for your explanation. I’d like to hear her side of the story before classifying her actions as incompetent though. She may have been sacrificing short-term revenues/profit to better position HP for the long haul. Investors don’t like that and would have been reason enough for the board to dump her.

        As for offshoring tech work, I’ve been in the field since ’76 and 14 years ago spent 6 months or so training my Bangalore replacements and lost a lucrative position due to it so have seen and been impacted by it first hand. But technology has made it possible and our offshore counterparts can be just as effective as we can at (sometimes) far less cost. In the same way that water will flow downhill, money will seek out the least expensive way to get a job done. We can bitch and moan about it but I don’t see that changing. So “getting over it” is something we had best learn to deal with it. I don’t mean to seem smug about it, but it is what it is.

        As CEO her responsibility was to keep the company profitable and grow it. Whether she had a long term plan for that and got dumped before it began to work, I don’t know. If so then she may have been properly meeting her obligations and just not meeting the quarterly results needed to satisfy the board. This is all pure speculation on my part and I will keep an ear out for her side of that story as I’m sure if she rises in the ranks she will be challenged on it. But if my speculations are anywhere close to the truth then she may make an excellent president as she has shown a willingness to focus on long term solutions and do what is wildly unpopular to get it done.

        If the choice comes down to her or whoever becomes the Dem’s nominee will you not vote or toss your vote to some 3rd party candidate?

        • kim2ooo says:

          I think, there maybe two sides to the HP account?

        • kim2ooo says:

          “To be fair, most big tech companies were still licking their wounds from the 2000 dot-com implosion and 2001 recession in 2005.

          And HP was hardly alone in laying off people during those dark times for the sector. Cisco (CSCO, Tech30), IBM (IBM, Tech30) and Dell gave out pink slips too.

          http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/07/news/carly-fiorina-gop-debate-hp-hewlett-packard/index.html

        • squid2112 says:

          Investors don’t like that and would have been reason enough for the board to dump her.

          News flash for you … the CEO works FOR the investors … If they investors didn’t like it, there was a reason for that, and the results speak for themselves (eg: they canned her)

        • squid2112 says:

          Kim, I agree with you, the HP thing was a complicated issue, a complicated problem. The result did not turn out so well for HP, their shareholders, their investors or their employees.

          The current problems in our country are much the same as HP but an a much larger scale. I do not believe Carly Fiorina is at all qualified to fix our problems as she did not successfully fix HP’s problems. There is a reason why executive boards fire their CEO’s, and it is not because of good performance.

        • squid2112 says:

          BTW, do you honestly think she can beat someone like Clinton? … Do you have any idea what Clinton is going to do to her on the HP issue? … Clinton will rip her to shreds in the first 10 seconds and that will be the end of the story. Fiorina won’t even get in a swing.

        • thallstd says:

          Thanks for the video and article link Kim.

        • kim2ooo says:

          BTW, do you honestly think she can beat someone like Clinton? … “

          I dono in the GENERAL Election……………. BUT she can bust Hillary a new butt within the primaries.

        • kim2ooo says:

          thallstd says:

          August 8, 2015 at 12:11 pm

          You are very welcome.

        • thallstd says:

          Squid, from Carly vid that Kim posted at 1:40:
          Took revenue from 44b to 90b
          Qudrupled growth rate
          Quadrupled cash flow
          Tripled innovation to 11 patents a day
          from lagging behind in every product category/market segment to leading

          Either she’s lying, which I doubt or there is some mystery as to exactly what investors didn’t like that kept HP’s stock down. Perhaps the dot-com bust made investors weary of the entire sector? I don’t know, but her performance seems more worthy of a hefty bonus than a dismissal. What is the missing piece in this puzzle?

        • DirkH says:

          thallstd says:
          August 8, 2015 at 12:40 pm
          “Either she’s lying, which I doubt or there is some mystery as to exactly what investors didn’t like that kept HP’s stock down.”

          As far as I recall, the moment she announced the split off of the engineering-heavy instrumentation business which became Agilent the stock shot up 30%; I remember that because I owned a few pieces.
          The Hp stock price later did the typical dot com bubble peak.
          https://www.comdirect.de/inf/aktien/detail/chart.html?timeSpan=5Y&ID_NOTATION=267900#timeSpan=SE&e&
          She was boss til 2005. I guess MANY CEO’s lost their job when disappointed investors looked for new talent to turn around the slump.

        • suyts says:

          thallstd, I held my nose and worked to get McCain in …. I held my nose and worked to get Romney in ….. I worked for the Repubs in the mid-terms ……Even when we win we end up with a bunch of low class losers. I’ve pretty much given up on the Repubs as a party. I will vote for a conservative. I believe our compromises is what has led the Repub party to where it is today, which is a Dim-lite party.

        • thallstd says:

          I agree completely about compromise being the mechanism that led us here. That is why I like Carly and even Trump. Yes he’s bombastic but he isn’t a politician. Carly is definitely more polished. I would vote for either of them, Cruz or Walker over anyone else at this point since none of the others have a history of showing any backbone. At least none that I’m aware of.

        • suyts says:

          Guys and gals, the numbers she’s quoting are true, but, misleading. Yes, this is true ….. Took revenue from 44b to 90b
          Qudrupled growth rate
          Quadrupled cash flow

          Well, close enough to be true, anyway. But, the profits and margins significantly diminished. Most of her tenure at HP will be remembered for her disastrous decision to buy Compaq. Which is how the revenue doubled. HP sales + Compaq sales = big increase. That’s no trick. Her “growth rate” quote is based on the one single quarter growth rate when she started to the quarter to when she left. It’s a number with no meaning.

          The fact is, she took a shining tech company and left it flailing. Indeed, HP has announced they’re spinning off their PC and printer business, meaning her long term vision was a fail. Because of the purchase, HP had to lay off thousands of worker which had been contributing to the success of HP.

          HP came back only after Fiornina left, but, I doubt they’ll ever come back all they way, now.

          But, HP wasn’t her only dismal failure …… In 1997, she was appointed chair of Lucent’s consumer communications joint venture with Philips, Philips Consumer Communications.[29] It was dissolved a year later after garnering only a 2% market share in mobile phones and losing $500 million on a revenue of $2.5 billion.

  5. leftinflagstaff says:

    They had to use the Cheney comparison because ‘Iranian hardliners’ was already taken.

  6. gator69 says:

    We’re still in Afghanistan.

    Hell, we’re still in Germany.

    • DirkH says:

      It’s getting less though. For instance, last US garrison in Mannheim closed in 2015 JAN.

    • DirkH says:

      Look for George Friedman, STRATFOR, and his explanations about the Intermarium.
      USA removes troops from Germany and repositions them in the East European countries to block possible connections from Germany to Russia to prevent the formation of the continental empire and preserve the maritime empire (the UK-USA one).
      Friedman was outed as CIA operative by wikileaks e-mails.

      • DirkH says:

        The Intermarium is the land connection between Black Sea and Baltic Sea. Control it, and you have prevented the Russo-German alliance. That’s why the 2014 Ukraine war is so important: It gives the USA a flimsy excuse to “bolster the defenses” – in the Intermarium!!!

    • suyts says:

      Yes, we’re in Germany and Korea, because we were able to stabilize the nations with our presence. We’re not doing that in Afghanistan. Nor do I believe its reasonably feasible to do so.

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  8. kim2ooo says:

    Think what you want about Carly…………. 🙂

    IF I WERE THE RNC or a big donor……………

    I’d pay for her ads!

    WHY?

    Glad you asked.

    You have 16 milquetoast guys who CAN NOT attack evil Hillary’s “War on Women” BS.

    Carly, RNC, Do it for the Party!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • squid2112 says:

      Um no, I’ll pass … but thanks though!

      • kim2ooo says:

        He he he he!

        I DO Believe…. THE REPUBLICAN PARTY needs to SELL itself, to the public…. not the candidates right now [ they can fend for themselves ]. They need to squash the “War on Women mime” and other things [ Hillary’s budget ] etc.

        • Latitude says:

          Honestly…I think the democrats are doing themselves in with the war on women thing…and republicans should only encourage them to do more…

          The on your knees comment was because the woman got on her knees in the interview and begged for the audition…
          The Kelly blood thing, Trump says was her nose/whatever…

          Point is, no one cares….and the democrats are looking like crazies, and being way too obvious, trying to make a big deal about these things….and making it obvious that Trump is scaring the hell out of all of them

          …that’s a good thing

        • kim2ooo says:

          Latitude, I don’t disagree with you on what he said about the “knees”. I researched it before I posted. 🙂

          My one and only concern, is taking the Presidency away from Democrats.

          I try not to play favorites, at this time, albeit; I do expect some of the 17 will retire soon.

          I share many of the same concerns expressed by you and Squid [ others ]. This was my first National Primary debate… so I have no point / reference of judging. I was disappointed.

          BUT it DID make me want to search some of these candidates, that were introduced to me. That’s a GOOD thing. 🙂

        • Latitude says:

          got it!!….
          Kim, it’s too early…don’t look for anything profound or committed from any of them.
          What you want to watch for is who’s picking sides..who have “they” chosen
          …then don’t vote for that person

          ex….Fox News is trying their obvious best to eliminate Trump
          and Trumps ratings showed it….they jumped up again

        • kim2ooo says:

          My friends, and I are really watching how things are being done. We try to fact check claims made by / for candidates etc.

          I do watch Fox now more, but …if you notice, my links come from researching.

          I heard a rumor that Mr. Biden will make an announcement within a week or so. That will be interesting.

          PS The war on Women is the ONLY tool Hillary has – Her sex!

          Obama and her lied, men died.

          Every country she touched as SoS……. is worse off.

          She brings NOTHING positive after 25 + years in public service.

        • thallstd says:

          Kim, I have heard rumors/speculation that it is the White House trying to derail Hillary’s campaign to clear the way for Biden. Makes me wonder if we might be looking at a Biden-Michelle Obama ticket. With Michelle as VP, Barry could still go around the country speechifying to protect his legacy and he and Valerie could pull Biden’s strings. Michelle just needs to lay low and not do anything that would jeopardize her run for Prez when the time comes.

        • Latitude says:

          Kim, here’s the war on women….right there on Fox News

          If women want to compete with men, they are going to have to stop whining like women. It was Fox and Megan Kelly that was making women out to be less than.

          If Trump had said some man was a fat asswipe, no one would blink…
          …if Trump had said some man must have been a sight on his knees….not a blink (maybe a laugh)
          If Trump had said some man was bleeding out his ears and whatever…no one would have missed a beat

          ..it’s Fox and Megan Kelly that were saying you can’t talk to or about women that way because they are less than……..special little cupcakes

          and in other news…we have some woman running a marathon without her tampax so she can bleed all over the place to make some point

        • kim2ooo says:

          “Makes me wonder if we might be looking at a Biden-Michelle Obama ticket. “

          THAT IS SCARRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  9. DirkH says:

    The true history of the American nativist.

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