Gems 2015 — July 18 Scripture Selection: Psalm 83-84

Guest post by Jeanette Andrade

July 18 Scripture Selection: Psalm 83-84

Food for Thought: Ps. 83:1-5

Israel’s existence and her ability to thrive through the years, surrounded by enemies who want nothing better than to snuff out her inhabitants, can be described as nothing less than a miracle by the hand of God. Providentially, despite great opposition in the international community, Israel continues to prosper and be a blessing to the entire world. Just look at the innovations that have come from this tiny nation! (For a quick, fascinating look, go to CBN.com, select “video”, and then search “Jerusalem Dateline: Innovation in Israel, May 23, 2014.)

The Lord has been faithful to fulfill His promise to Abraham, found in Genesis 12:1-3: “Now the Lord had said to Abram: ‘Get out of your country, from your family and from your father’s house, to a land that I will show you. I will make you a great nation; I will bless you and make your name great; and you shall be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse him who curses you; and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.’” Continuing in the chapter, the place where the Lord sent Abraham is identified as Canaan, which later becomes Israel. So blessing Israel is in agreement with the Lord’s will and “blesses” Abraham, which is beneficial to those who do so, as the Lord promised it would be (vs. 3). Contrarily, there are consequences for those who oppose Israel, which is to oppose the Lord Himself.

No matter how difficult the circumstances or how much pressure is put on Israel by people ignorant of the covenant she has with God, Israel will always come out on top, and God will bless those on her side. So stand with Israel and pray for her (Ps. 122:6, 7). To be on Israel’s side is to be on God’s side and in agreement with His plan.

Digging Deeper (What scriptures can further enhance today’s reading?):

Getting Personal (What has God shown you in today’s reading?):

Confession of Faith (Example: Lord, based on Mat. 1:21 and 23, I understand that Jesus is God, and I receive Him as my personal Lord and Savior.):

Important Events on This Day (birthdays, anniversaries, etc.):

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95 Responses to Gems 2015 — July 18 Scripture Selection: Psalm 83-84

  1. Me says:

    Really? I think you don’t give them credit for the work and fight they made that pushed the rag heads back at every turn. They made it and did it, the west financed it.

  2. Me says:

    So tell Me, all those years of slavery? That was Gods will aswell?

    • jsue says:

      Read the book of Exodus, and you will find out the reason for the years of slavery. And as for all their hard work and fight, of course they get credit for it. (Though, Who gave them those abilities?!) But all the effort in the world would not have been enough to pull Israel out of the mess in the 6 Day War and other attacks in their history. They would not even be on this planet today had it not been for Divine intervention. Even some on the opposing side testify of miraculous events that occured for the benefit of Israel. There are documented first-hand eye witness accounts from participants on both sides.

      • Me says:

        Yeah, but where was God before that? How many times were they enslaved? And even they endorsde slavery, I don’t have to tell you that you know, it’s in the Bible!

        • Me says:

          No Rightous God or Person would do that! What does that leave?

        • Me says:

          Is it Satan? Are you worshiping Satan then?

        • Me says:

          I don’t think you are, I said I don’t believe in satan, I don’t believe in ghost or any of that.
          But I certanly got alot of flack because I said I don’t believe in satan here!

        • Me says:

          But you need to believe in that in order to believe in God, Like a King, it’s not bad enough but the son of GOD, yeah that’s it ya don’t even have to believe in god just his son and poof off you go in never never land! Perfect world? EH!

          Just be who you are, help if you can.

        • kim2ooo says:

          Hmmm…. you seem to think God’s Being should be dependent on Man’s rules.

          You could have your “perfect world” [ subjectively defined by Man ] BUT at what cost???

          Imagine a world without “free will” [ That is the cost ]……… The Nazi’s were hard bent at it.

        • Me says:

          And what is god’s rules?

        • Me says:

          Yeah the nazi’s were and we kicked their asses, God didn’t do it we did.

        • Me says:

          Nazi’s were doing what again to who? the Chosen ones, well they will never let that happen again, as I hope we will never let it happen again.

        • kim2ooo says:

          NOT without God’s Grace.

          There were many days… we were on the very edge of losing. Minutes and days.

        • Me says:

          Listen kid, I served, I never asked for that I did what I needed to do, God No! I heard my parents telling me about the bullshit they faced, Like I bet Me believed in god now that I am in the spot I was.
          It’s a good thing I never met up with that prick again. Yeah it is what it is.

        • kim2ooo says:

          Me says:

          July 19, 2015 at 8:18 pm

          Listen kid, I served, I never asked for that I did what I needed to do

          Listen old person, many served, they never asked for that they did what they needed to do.

          It DOES grant them privilege……….. it DOES NOT grant them Carte Blanc.

        • Me says:

          Exactly kid, so grow up, or go and serve or be a sponge, you are one of many. Apparently your own don’t care about who served, and it sounds like you don’t either. So it’s not surprising where it comes from.

        • Me says:

          As long as someone else does it, you will claim it’s gods will.

      • kim2ooo says:

        Have you not be told in your youth of God’s Rules for Mankind? God’s Rules for Mankind IS VERY different from the WHAT RULES GOD.

        • Me says:

          Myth, Grow up, the real world awaits, and if you aren’t ready, then it’s tough.

        • kim2ooo says:

          Me says:

          July 19, 2015 at 8:07 pm

          Myth, Grow up, the real world awaits, and if you aren’t ready, then it’s tough.

          That’s rich. You would have me “grow up” a mirror of you… A cynically acned old man, or woman?

          LOOK, I have no intention of converting you away from your cynicism.. That being said DON’T try converting me! 🙂

        • Me says:

          Pat Tillman

        • Me says:

          Also what am I trying to convert you to? You always say it’s not a religion and I agree? so converting you to what? something you believe don’t exhist? 😆

  3. jsue says:

    “NOT without God’s Grace.
    There were many days… we were on the very edge of losing. Minutes and days.” You’re so right, Kim. Those events were certainly not just “coincidence.” And there are also MANY first-hand accounts of God’s miraculous intervention during World War II. If it weren’t for His help, things would have turned out quite differently. I am so glad that the results were not reliant solely on man’s abilities.

  4. Me says:

    The thing is it is your constitutional right, and I am not trying to infringe on it But expect to be challenged. that’s all nothing more.

    • Me says:

      Null hypothesis, the burden of proof is on you!

      • kim2ooo says:

        “Null hypothesis, the burden of proof is on you!”

        Actually, no.

        You need to brush-up on your logic.

        I expect to be challenged… but by a rational / logical process.

        Prove God’s Grace didn’t take place…wasn’t present during WW2. THAT IS YOUR CLAIM…. Own it.

      • Me says:

        You are the one telling others what to believe, the burden ot proof is on you to prove it.

        • kim2ooo says:

          Another logic fail.

          This happens to be a Bible Study…. FOR BELIEVERS.

          Albeit: Those who wish to learn more about God and The Bible are welcome………….

          BUT NEITHER IS YOUR INTENT!

        • Me says:

          Null hypothesis. Do you understand what it means? Obviously you don’t!

        • Me says:

          I think you are a good kid, and I don’t want to do this anymore.

        • Me says:

          Ya can believe what you want, but know your bible won’t go away and all the BS written in it that made me think! It’s what you need to do is think, for your self!

        • kim2ooo says:

          Me says:

          July 19, 2015 at 9:33 pm

          Null hypothesis. Do you understand what it means? Obviously you don’t!

          Did you just hear about this in one of your atheist chats? The trouble with following people who don’t understand logic and it’s usage…….. it makes them sound less intelligent.

          HERE is a SIMPLE link for you… maybe, it can explain why you are misusing this.

          https://explorable.com/null-hypothesis.

          HERE IS WHY IT FAILS HERE:

          BELIEVERS NEED NO PROOF OF GOD…………

          YOU COME HERE TO BELIEVERS – AND TRY TO PROOVE THERE IS NO GOD. The onus of logic is on you.

        • Me says:

          What is the Null hypothesis?

        • Me says:

          I say I don’t believe there is one, I am not sure, I can’t prove there isn’t, there fore you claim there is. Prove it?

        • Me says:

          You are the ones making the claim, the burden of proof falls on who?

        • kim2ooo says:

          Do you understand the word BELIEVER?

        • Me says:

          So now you know what it feels like to be on your own. No one came in to save you did they. Now you know, I feel bad. But learn from it, be stronger because of it. And take care.

        • Me says:

          Believer, give it up and carry on!

        • Me says:

          Or keep it up and play what ever it is you do.

        • kim2ooo says:

          HA HA HA HA!

          Me says:

          July 19, 2015 at 10:16 pm

          So now you know what it feels like to be on your own. No one came in to save you did they. Now you know, I feel bad. But learn from it, be stronger because of it. And take care.

          Evidently, you haven’t been paying much attention here at Suyts Place.

          Especially in my role as an Christian Apologist. 🙂

          I DO NOT FEAR THE DARK.

          And you are easy…no need to feel bad.

          http://www.intuitor.com/statistics/T1T2Errors.html

          The null hypotenuse refers to SCIENTIFIC METHODS. The null is the logical opposite of the alternative.

          The SCIENTIFIC OPPOSITE OF GOD = EQUALS NOTHING.

          Measure GOD.
          Measure NOTHING.

          You are arguing AGAINST yourself –

          Are you saying GOD is a Scientific Fact that can be measured?

          You might have better luck trying to argue Plato’s cave allegory.

          The difference with believers is FAITH

          ANY day you want to debate 🙂 but wear your big boy panties.

        • kim2ooo says:

          As soon as you set out to use the NULL hypothesis – YOU have to assign numbers of VALUE.

          You can NOT work it any other way.

          The null is the logical opposite of the alternative.

          Say:
          God = 1
          No God = 0

          To get those VALUES – you’ve just …. ADMITTED THERE IS A GOD!

          If you don’t understand the tricks used in debate……….. STUDY THEM before using them and making yourself look ignorant.

      • cdquarles says:

        I have a question for you, Me, and that is “Did you bring yourself into existence?”. Depending on your answer, I’ll try to continue with you a bit.

  5. kim2ooo says:

    Me says:

    July 19, 2015 at 9:10 pm

    Exactly kid, so grow up, or go and serve or be a sponge, you are one of many. Apparently your own don’t care about who served, and it sounds like you don’t either. So it’s not surprising where it comes from.

    As usual, your logic [?] fails you.

    You illogically accuse me of nonsense.

    I’ll match Military resting places with you any day. They paid just as dear as any one. You argue / debate like a pompous entitled teen girl.

    You seem to have a PERSONAL problem with GOD. Until you are man enough to address why you are ticked off and cynical to others who aren’t diseased…… it will never heal.,

    • Me says:

      Prove it? I don’t have a problem with god because it is obvious.
      Null hypothesis!

      • jsue says:

        Kim’s right, ME. You seem to be very angry with God and are trying desperately to convince yourself that He doesn’t exist because if He does, then you will have to reconcile that truth with your life and your relationship –or lack of–with HIm. (And by the way, ME, Kim wasn’t left alone to “debate” you. It’s just that she really didn’t need any help.) (And another “by the way”: I very much do appreciate your service to this country. It’s just a shame that you cannot yet see that the Lord was “serving” you and all of us at the same time.)

        • suyts says:

          A clarification, sis. Me is a proud Canadian. Being that we usually fight our fights together, it’s pretty much the same, but, he was probably serving for Canada, rather than the US. He still gets a salute and a hit-tip.

          And, yeh, Kim doesn’t need our help to debate. But, that goes without saying for nearly every regular on Suyts, including Me. It’s one of the untapped treasures of this site. And, I’ve thought about making a plea to do something with the huge collective talent these people have. It’s why no one comes to play with us! They can’t!

          Of course, when I say “us” I’m referring to the people who have regularly commented on this blog, and Me’s included.

      • leftinflagstaff says:

        I look at it this way, Me… What started everything that is proven? I believe in true science, the Big Bang, evolution, etc. But what created the conditions for any to occur?

        • jsue says:

          Clarification noted, Brother. I’m still grateful for ME’s service, but sad that he somehow remained oblivious to the Divine intervention during and after WWII

        • DirkH says:

          leftinflagstaff says:
          July 20, 2015 at 4:38 pm
          “I look at it this way, Me… What started everything that is proven? I believe in true science, the Big Bang, evolution, etc. But what created the conditions for any to occur?”

          To save the Big Bang, they had to invent “inflation”, to get around their own speed limit, “lightspeed”. (Which is not a limit in Lorenzian relativity, BTW)

          Evolution has a complexity problem – if you extrapolate the exponential complexity growth rate of life forms back to zero you get 10 billion years. Earth is allegedly only half as old though.

          Creation of first life form finally is completely impossible according to all known science. (Chemical balance prefers decay of amino acid chains vs spontaneous formation of longer chains – entropy again). All ideas to explain it have failed. I don’t know if ANYONE still works on it.

        • leftinflagstaff says:

          And we’ll probably never know the true timelines.
          But galaxies are still expanding. Species are still evolving.

          ‘Creation of first life form finally is completely impossible according to all known science.’

          That’s what I said. 🙂

        • cdquarles says:

          Exactly. Take the Big Bang, well, that’s a conjecture/hypothesis used to explain the ‘uniform’ background microwave emissions discovered through radio astronomy. Then they found out, with better equipment, that said emission isn’t exactly uniform.

          Evolution, speaking of biological forms, itself is a tautology. Biology also started as a descriptive classification system based on morphology (shape, color, etc.,) and they ignored the chemists. Evolution has an origin problem. That was skirted by claiming that they were talking about what happened after that, within what became to be known later as ecology. Descent with modification is a description. It explains nothing, and, if ‘blind’, is a trend follower that will lead you into box canyons, so to speak. Natural selection is also a description. What, exactly is natural selection, and how is it different from “Be fruitful and multiply, lest ye be replaced?” Then let us talk about DNA/RNA and proteins. A key to proteins is the folding. Folding is a chemical process. Fortunately, it is robust to most substitutions of amino acids, so long as they’re all the correct stereo-isomer and hydrophobicity. That raises the question of, “Why are the vital amino acids all one way and the sugars the other?”, and see this article (which is decent): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chirality_(chemistry). Even if you get past all of that, just like a clock that is missing vital parts doesn’t work, a biological organism lacking all of the parts cannot bring itself into existence.

        • leftinflagstaff says:

          Yes. What can be observed is obvious. How any of it got here is not. A Supreme Being seems more and more undeniable.

        • cdquarles says:

          Argh, ‘all’ is a bit too strong a word. Read that a ‘nearly all’.

  6. If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!

  7. DirkH says:

    Me says:
    July 19, 2015 at 10:03 pm
    “I say I don’t believe there is one, I am not sure, I can’t prove there isn’t, there fore you claim there is. Prove it?”

    Ask the Lord for a sign and see how your Null hypotheses gets discarded.
    Or alternatively, ask him for help and rest trustful . Accept the Lord, and thank him for helping you, BEFORE you see the help materialize.
    Don’t kid around with it. Ask him for help in something important.

    Works for me. (and for millions of other people.)

    • Roger that! I remember a time years ago I lost my job.
      After several months of looking and almost out money,
      I got my knees and said,Lord HELP. As I said this the
      phone was ringing, my Wife picked it up and called to me
      saying, there is a man on the phone who wants to know if
      want a job.
      Alfred

    • jsue says:

      Excellent suggestion to ME, Dirk. The Lord has revealed Himself SO MANY times to the people who ask Him to show Himself in a situation in their lives. He’s not trying to hide from anyone. On the contrary, He is glad to give a sign that will help the ones who are seeking truth find it.

      • jsue says:

        Alfred, thanks so much for the personal testimony of God’s response to your prayer. I bet we could all mention several times when He did. He HAS proven Himself to be true in our lives so many times. Maybe some others would like to tell of their personal experiences with the Lord coming through miraculously for them

    • kim2ooo says:

      He/ She is banding around a concept [ null hypothesis ], that was most prolly used in an atheist chat against an inexperienced apologist….

      USED as a silencer.

      The TELL is when they keep repeating it… showing they don’t understand the concept…

  8. jsue says:

    Yes, I had a similar experience. I had just told the Lord about a need for $400 dollars. When I checked the mail, the money was there. “The words were practically still in my mouth” when the answer was already there.

  9. kim2ooo says:

    I love these witness testimonies.

    We miss when we tell them… but don’t explain, that when we ask, we must humble ourselves to His will. Thy will be done!

    If they don’t understand this part… it feeds their cynicism.

    “Yeah, I prayed for $400.00 but the check received was for only $350.00.”

    YOUR answer / reply will be in accordance to His will.

    IT is THEN YOUR / OUR Job to see His Hand.

  10. cdquarles says:

    Since we are now talking about God revealing himself, let us return to last year’s readings and recall Exodus 33: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+33&version=KJV.

    Remember, Moses (Moshe) was a sinner. He had committed murder. Yet such was the Faith within Moses that God used him as the instrument by which a promise was kept. Moses was humble enough to say to God, more-or-less, I am an imperfect person and lack that which is needed to be a leader. Then, later, through Faith, Moses took those steps in accord with God’s Will. [Me, God exists. The proof is all around you and is within you, if you’d only accept it. Indeed God is Existence Prime, whole and complete in himself and thus causeless, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, possessing aspects and it is He that turned potentiality that only exists because He exists and made it reality as a created entity.] Just before the Children of Israel go across Jordan, Moses has a request of God, and it is a bold one at that. God granted it because of who and what Moses became and did, for Him.

  11. jsue says:

    I’m pretty sure we lost ME by now (or just plain wore him out, but I am SO grateful for every time he pipes in, despite his incoherant rantings, and for everyone who responds because it is yet another opportunity to explain our faith and be instruments that help others who are in doubt. For every time ME provokes a conversation, several others come into the faith. So bring it on, ME! Anytime!

  12. Lars P. says:

    Saw this at Chiefio:
    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2015/07/20/flooding-drought-comes-to-california/
    Which is new and interesting info for me, I did not knew this, looks like I failed the “regular” test there:
    “Regulars here will know that I’ve complained about the Palmer Drought Index before. Why? For the simple reason that it does not compare rain now with historical averages to determine drought, but compares it to temperature adjusted values, and we know the temperature data is fudged and adjusted way too much to compare ‘now’ to the ‘the historical baseline’. It’s just a broken index since the temperature data on which it depends has been buggered. Yeah, still better than nothing, but not by much, and with a load of caveats needed if you use it.”
    Always good to know what is shown in the graphs…

  13. Jim Masterson says:

    >>
    DirkH says:
    July 22, 2015 at 3:07 pm

    Which is not a limit in Lorenzian relativity, BTW
    <<

    Tell me Dirk (using Lorenzt transformations),how you get a mass from under the speed-of-light to over the speed-of-light without using an infinite amount of energy.

    Jim

      • Jim Masterson says:

        I’m not impressed by the link.

        >>
        . . . even though forces such as those in particle accelerators are limited to propagating and pushing at light speed.
        <<

        Years ago, the big breakthrough in rocket technology were vehicles that could exceed three-times the exhaust-nozzle velocity. Just because a force is limited to v doesn’t mean that you can’t accelerate something past v–unless that something is hitting another type of limit. The link’s propeller-jet analogy fails, because particle accelerators continually accelerate particles–like jet engines.

        I need to re-read the link again as I’m still missing the author’s points.

        Jim

  14. Jim Masterson says:

    >>
    DirkH says:
    July 22, 2015 at 3:07 pm

    Evolution has a complexity problem – if you extrapolate the exponential complexity growth rate of life forms back to zero you get 10 billion years. Earth is allegedly only half as old though.
    <<

    I love these evolution probability statements, because most are bogus. They either state that the probability of x happening is so low that it is impossible, or that the time it would take for x to occur is too long. Assuming you “could” extrapolate complexity, then your answer could easily be off by an order of magnitude or more (much more). In any case, I doubt the validity of your statement.

    The probability of something being so low that it could never happen also shows a lack of knowledge of probability. For example, say I flip an honest coin 100 times. What’s the probability of getting a specific arrangement of heads and tails? We know how many different head-tail arrangements there are—exactly 2^100 or a little more than 1.26 X 10^30. This is an extremely big number. By comparison, the number of seconds since the Big Bang (assuming exactly 13.5 billion years) is 4.26 X 10^17 seconds. So the chance of getting a specific head-tail run is 1/2^100—this includes all heads, or all tails, or H-T-H-T-H-T . . ., or so on.. Flipping 100 tosses of a coin would only take a few minutes (or hours, depending on my persistence), yet my chance of getting that sequence was essentially impossible. (It’s interesting to calculate the probability of getting exactly 50 heads and exactly 50 tails—the famous law-of-averages. We know that number: it’s 100 choose 50 divided by 2^100 or (100!/(50!*50!))/2^100 = 0.0796 or less than 8%.)

    My other problem with your statement is how do you define complexity? That’s always been a tough nut to crack. If I gave you two programs with a million lines of code each, could you tell which one was more complex? Or calculate the function points of each and tell me which one had the larger number?

    Jim

    • DirkH says:

      Ah, don’t make me find my sources. Because, this is not MY argument. I just happen to read a lot. So I find things. I think it is SCIENTISTS who say that.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia#Complexity
      (Moore’s Law backwards until you arrive at one nucleotid)
      And BTW that’s about 1.25 days of the Brahma. Because I looked it up.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahma#Duration_of_day_of_Brahm.C4.81
      Also, re measuring complexity, my goto source for that is Ray Kurzweil who made it his life’s mission.

      • DirkH says:

        …and re your coin tossing pondering; we are talking about extremely many trials, so, in evolution even moreso than in our Moore’s-Law-driven information technology, we find a very continuous rise in progress speed (if we believe all the dating and all the orthodox explanations)

        (I did not mention another problem; the emergence of completely different subsystems like birds’ lungs, which the evolutionists try to explain with evo-devo genes – but WHY is there an evo-devo gene in the first place that can do such tricks… Another deus ex machina…(using the theatre term here, not a religious one))

        • Jim Masterson says:

          “Genetic Programming”
          On the Programming of Computers by Means of Natural Selection
          by John R. Koza

          Koza explains why the “genetic algorithm” works even when the search domain is extremely large.

          Jim

        • DirkH says:

          Jim, I know about Koza for 25 years. And I have run genetic programming to find a stock broking strategy for several years. You tell me nothing new.

          I can also tell you what these algorithms can and cannot do. I could write books about it.

        • DirkH says:

          Just for starters, while our genetic algorithms usually have a built-in, fixed rate of mutation and way of reproduction, we think that lifeforms have over time invented new forms of reproduction and gene-mixing, which, together with the growing number of species and specimens, leads to a GROWTH in the progression speed of evolution. In other words, they sorta optimized themselves for evolvability / genetic malleability.

          (Bisexual reproduction leads to better gene sharing)

          But we cannot explain in Darwinian terms why this happened, as it offers no benefit to the INDIVIDUAL – natural selection is supposed to work on the individual – not on a shared trait of a species.

          It is an interesting topic with many unsolved questions.

        • DirkH says:

          Also look into Somatic Hypermutation. A genetic algorithm running in our lymph nodes to evolve antibodies.

        • DirkH says:

          So, did evolution create organisms that use evolution to create their antibodies? How’s that supposed to have happened? How is a system with such closed subsystem complexity brought into being piecemeal? There is no advantage of having half such a system. And that is were genetic algorithms fail; they fail to produce those great designs we want.

          I helped myself by adding self-designed strategies and throwing them into the gene pool to see how it would work. With mixed results; as they would over time be overpowered by very stupid, very high-performing strategies. I might say, in my experiments, mindless stupidity won.

          The entire experiment was kinda infuriating. Evolutions in itself have no special preference for smart designs.

          THe experiment is also halted for now, as I think the world stock market is on the edge of the monetary precipice. I rode QE for all its worth, now it’s time to hunker down.

        • Jim Masterson says:

          >>
          You tell me nothing new.
          <<

          Apparently you didn’t read the book.

          >>
          . . . fixed rate of mutation . . . .
          <<

          Page 27:
          “Indeed, one of the key insights in “Adaptation in Natural and Artificial Systems” concerns the relative unimportance of mutation in the evolutionary process in nature as well as its relative unimportance in solving artificial problems of adaptation using the genetic algorithm.”

          Jim

        • DirkH says:

          What, just because I didn’t mention crossovers explicitly you think I don’t know them? Well, then scroll a little up and you will see me mentioning bisexual reproduction and gene mixing.

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