LBGT Panel Calls For More Tolerance ……. As This Happens On The Panel!!!!

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So, there was a panel discussion about Bruce Jenner’s bravery award.  Breitbart’s Ben Shapiro was invited …. you can imagine the makeup of the rest of the panel. 

Shapiro was asked by host Dr. Drew Pinsky if Jenner deserved the ESPY’s Arthur Ashe Courage Award, he responded, “For what?” Pinsky then said, “For courageously coming forward, for having been an athlete of great prowess, and now fighting a new battle?” Shapiro asked, “What exactly is the battle? I mean, self-definition what is you do. And my baby’s doing it at 18 months old. I was unaware that you get a medal for it.” …..

…. Tur argued, “You have to bifurcate it. Did she deserve the honor? Probably not. Is she brave? Of course she’s brave. All those years invested as the sports legend, to come out transgender is horribly difficult. It is the most difficult thing you can do. I’ve been overseas, I’ve flown helicopter missions, surveillance missions, I’ve been shot, stabbed. Being brave is being yourself. And being transgender is about the bravest thing you can do.”

After Tur and Oduolowu had a brief exchange, Shapiro wondered, “Why are we mainstreaming delusion?” When asked why he would refer to transgenderism as “delusion.” He responded, “Because, Bruce — Caitlyn Jenner, I’ll call him Caitlyn Jenner –” Schacher then interjected, “No, it’s her, you’re not being polite to the pronouns, it’s disrespectful.”

Shapiro responded, “Okay, forget about the disrespect, facts don’t care about your feelings. It, turns out that every chromosome, every cell in Caitlyn Jenner’s body, is male, with the exception of some of his sperm cells. … It turns out that he still has all of his male appendages. How he feels on the inside is irrelevant to the question of his biological self.”

Oduolowu clarified his position that, “She wants to be called she, I’m going to call her she. I just have a problem with the message and the messenger.”

Pinsky then argued that ABC did a good job getting viewers, which is the point of an awards ceremony. Pinsky continued, “In terms of the science behind gender disphoria, you’re very familiar with that, Zoey. It’s not about the…chromosomes within our nuclei.” Tur responded, “We both know chromosomes don’t necessarily mean you’re male or female.” And “you have a thing like Klinefelter’s syndrome. So, [turning to Shapiro and touching his shoulder] you don’t know what you’re talking about, you’re not educated on genetics –.” Shapiro asked if the discussion was supposed to be on genetics and asked, “What are your genetics, sir?” Pinsky said to Tur, “I’d stay away from the genetics and back to the brain scans.”

Tur then said to Shapiro, “You cut that out now, or you’ll go home in an ambulance.” Shapiro responded, “That seems mildly inappropriate for a political discussion.” Oduolowu said that, to be fair, Shapiro was being rude, to which Shapiro answered, “I’m sorry, it’s not rude to say that someone who’s biologically a male is a male.” Tur stated, “You just called me a ‘sir.’”

After some of the other panelists, particularly radio and “Chain Reaction” host Mike Catherwood, objected that Shapiro knew that what he said would be “insulting” and “inflammatory.” Shapiro responded, “It’s not a matter of insulting or inflammatory. It’s a fact. You are a male. Dr. Drew is a male.”

Catherwood conceded, “Sir, you’re right…on paper, what is a fact is a fact, and I can’t deny that.” He maintained, “But you knew that going in that to say that to Zoey would be aggressively insulting.” Shapiro maintained, “It’s not a matter of aggressively insulting. … The entire discussion is whether we are embracing mental illness and delusion as a society, that’s the entire discussion.”

But, there’s more.  Afterwards …..

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You see, people should be more tolerant …… except of the ones who actually state facts, rather than engage in delusional fantasies. 

There are videos available at the links.

Disclaimer:  I don’t give a damn if some guy wants to play dress-up and pretend to be a woman.  But, we should all deal with reality.  You can chop up, and poke in whatever you wish to yourself. I don’t care.  Now, I refuse to pay for it, but, if you want to pretend you’re something you’re not, then go for it! 

But, avoiding reality isn’t brave, it’s cowardly. 

For the women out there who may disagree with me ….. people like Bruce Jenner never had to, and never will have to deal with things such as menstruation or menopause.  And, neither do people such as Zoey Tur.  That’s not to mention the ability or decision as to whether or not to bear children.  It simply is that people such as Bruce Jenner cannot suddenly decide to be a woman.  He will never have what it is to be a woman.  Not the biology, not the chemistry, not the experiences. 

The same is true for the converse.  Women cannot suddenly decide to be men.  Ladies, I promise you, you have no idea. 

Most of us laugh about our transition from child to man ……… mostly because we’re taught not to cry about anything.  Some girl wants to pretend to be a man?  That’s fine.  But, they can’t be.  They could never go through the things I went through on my journey to manhood, nor any other man on their journey. 

Just because you want to doesn’t make it so, regardless of the surgeries you have performed. 

Lastly, while we’re speaking of sames and differences …… In my perspective, transgender is very different from homosexual.  I don’t understand why the LBGTQxyzabclmnop community lumps themselves together, as such.  ….. Well, I do understand why it happens, I don’t understand why the people identifying with the group allows it to happen.  They’re not the same and should not be regarded as the same.    

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32 Responses to LBGT Panel Calls For More Tolerance ……. As This Happens On The Panel!!!!

  1. Latitude says:

    I’ve always wondered about that too…..
    Probably goes back to drag queens playing in gay bars.

  2. gator69 says:

    I feel like a billionaire! And I demand that everyone recognize my delusion and give me piles of enormously expensive things on indefinite credit, so I can later file bankruptcy and start all over again, as a trillionaire!

    It’s my right after all. And how dare you question me, you intolerant pigs!

    • Me says:

      Yeah and I met someone that felt the same way, claiming that if he spent a million in credit it would be the same a a millionare. Yeah have at but don’t expect the rest of us to pay off your debts, and low and behold, to big to fail came along. Sucks to be Me! Not.

  3. Me says:

    😉 And religion does what their masters tells them to believe.

  4. Me says:

    http://www.therebel.media/is_siri_remaking_us_in_apple_s_desired_politically

    Here is another trinket, Remember the days of stuff being published in print? You know, from way back when, before tech and all that??? Remember that, you know, book burning days, news paper print days, remember that???? Ya know history, when stuff was written down, and later looking at it. Remember that?

    • Me says:

      POPE and his ways? Not so long ago you were claiming something about the same POPE? Ya know when he said something about science and God? You were all over it. How about the POPE now?

  5. Me says:

    And as for being Libertarians, be a Libertarian, don’t act like it. Freedom for all as long as it doesn’t affect you directly. Don’t claim to be that but then don’t like a person because of what they are.

  6. Me says:

    And Caitlyn never won a gold medal, Bruce did, so it dosn’t belong to her and should go in a museum, or the hall of fame, or better yet it should go to the silver medalist and all medals be passed down from there as the person identified as a man in the event in reality confessed she wasn’t. And all the royalties she earned because of her fame should be passed onto her silver medalist competor and so forth. You know because of fairness and belonging. Right?

    • DirkH says:

      Repeat after me, Me: There never was a Bruce. Thus spake this Cook guy from Apple, well I think his name is Cook. Well actually Siri is a service Apple buys at Wolfram Research and Wolfram will annotate the database any way Apple wants.
      One could have so much fun with this, imagine:

      “Siri, who invented the term capitalism?” “You mean: Who invented the term fascism.”

      • Me says:

        And your problem is? There never was a Bruce?

        • Me says:

          😆 that’s what she claims and what I stated just above here.

        • Me says:

          And you are suppose to be ahead of our time! 😆 It’s like 10 AM or 10:00 hrs there now

        • DirkH says:

          Me says:
          July 18, 2015 at 1:50 am
          “:lol: that’s what she claims and what I stated just above here.”

          Very good, Me. So we can agree:
          Kaythlin Jenner is the first woman in the history of the world to win the men’s decathlon at the Summer Olympics.

          This proves that women are as physically capable as men.

          and we won’t send you to the Gender Sensitivation Camp this time round. Thanks for obliging.

          Remember kids, always watch the propaganda or you might be caught thinking wrong thoughts.

        • Me says:

          Yeah, so she should have been participateing in the womens catagory like all the russian and german men err I mean women!

        • DirkH says:

          That’s true. The creation of Socialist Man in DDR and USSR had similar results.

  7. DirkH says:

    Zo-He-Turd? Never heard of it. Or is that So-He-Turd.

  8. leftinflagstaff says:

    Yep. Nothing courageous about surrendering to our defects. Be they physical or mental.

  9. cdquarles says:

    Gender? Electric plugs and sockets have genders, male for the plug, female for the socket. Sexually reproducing organisms don’t have genders. They have sexes: male and female. The act required to turn potential offspring into real offspring is called sexual intercourse for a reason. Whether you use the old Germanic locution or the old Latin locution, that act is the natural act required for there to be fruit and fulfil the commandment. For, you see, the biological world, as created, operates on be fruitful and multiply, lest ye be replaced. It is not survival of the fittest, which requires some outside judge of fitness to operate, unless you want such a trend-following mechanism to lead you into a box canyon and destruction.

  10. gator69 says:

    Obama collecting personal data for a secret race database

    A key part of President Obama’s legacy will be the fed’s unprecedented collection of sensitive data on Americans by race. The government is prying into our most personal information at the most local levels, all for the purpose of “racial and economic justice.”

    Unbeknown to most Americans, Obama’s racial bean counters are furiously mining data on their health, home loans, credit cards, places of work, neighborhoods, even how their kids are disciplined in school — all to document “inequalities” between minorities and whites.

    This Orwellian-style stockpile of statistics includes a vast and permanent network of discrimination databases, which Obama already is using to make “disparate impact” cases against: banks that don’t make enough prime loans to minorities; schools that suspend too many blacks; cities that don’t offer enough Section 8 and other low-income housing for minorities; and employers who turn down African-Americans for jobs due to criminal backgrounds.

    http://nypost.com/2015/07/18/obama-has-been-collecting-personal-data-for-a-secret-race-database/

    Here we go again! Son of a #@%*%$@$%$#*&!!!

    • DirkH says:

      They are trying to extinguish rational behaviour.
      Wonder how that’ll turn out.

    • kim2ooo says:

      South Africa was condemned for doing this.

    • Latitude says:

      This one person…is responsible for setting race relations back 100 years…
      He’s using inequalities as an excuse, the word he means is redistribution

      • gator69 says:

        When we are all poor, when all of our schools are crap, and when we all live in dangerous neighborhoods, then we will all be equal.

        • Latitude says:

          Gat, did you hear about his plan to put more section 8 housing in affluent neighborhoods?

        • gator69 says:

          That is exactly to what I was referring. I was trying to find target numbers of the plan (percentages), but I do not believe they have issued that part yet, as they do not want us to know the full scope of this horror.

          http://www.huduser.org/portal/affht_pt.html

          I heard one pundit mention that any neighborhood that is more than 50% “white” would be considered in “violation”. I’m not sure that is true, but this kind of racist micromanagement and macroaggression is beyond the pale.

          Another reason why I moved far outside the cities.

  11. Jim Masterson says:

    Our local Seattle conservative talk radio station is KTTH 770. From 6am to 9am is local host David Bose; from 9am to 12pm is Rush Limbaugh; from 12pm to 3pm is Michael Medved (Medved is local to Seattle and KTTH is his flagship station.); and from 3pm to 6pm is Ben Shapiro–also a local host.

    It was interesting to hear David Boze’s take on Ben Shapiro’s altercation on CNN. I haven’t heard Ben Shaprio’s take on it yet as I don’t listen to the radio all that much. It seems that the left can make death threats to whomever without consequences.

    Jim

  12. gator69 says:

    You’ve got to love the last couple he approaches, maybe there is hope.

  13. Brad says:

    According to Rachel Dolezal, ones Race is now a feeling and state of mind.

    One other thing to consider, but far fetched, is the idea of solving a crime on DNA evidence. Just a thought.

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