So, there was a panel discussion about Bruce Jenner’s bravery award. Breitbart’s Ben Shapiro was invited …. you can imagine the makeup of the rest of the panel.
Shapiro was asked by host Dr. Drew Pinsky if Jenner deserved the ESPY’s Arthur Ashe Courage Award, he responded, “For what?” Pinsky then said, “For courageously coming forward, for having been an athlete of great prowess, and now fighting a new battle?” Shapiro asked, “What exactly is the battle? I mean, self-definition what is you do. And my baby’s doing it at 18 months old. I was unaware that you get a medal for it.” …..
…. Tur argued, “You have to bifurcate it. Did she deserve the honor? Probably not. Is she brave? Of course she’s brave. All those years invested as the sports legend, to come out transgender is horribly difficult. It is the most difficult thing you can do. I’ve been overseas, I’ve flown helicopter missions, surveillance missions, I’ve been shot, stabbed. Being brave is being yourself. And being transgender is about the bravest thing you can do.”
After Tur and Oduolowu had a brief exchange, Shapiro wondered, “Why are we mainstreaming delusion?” When asked why he would refer to transgenderism as “delusion.” He responded, “Because, Bruce — Caitlyn Jenner, I’ll call him Caitlyn Jenner –” Schacher then interjected, “No, it’s her, you’re not being polite to the pronouns, it’s disrespectful.”
Shapiro responded, “Okay, forget about the disrespect, facts don’t care about your feelings. It, turns out that every chromosome, every cell in Caitlyn Jenner’s body, is male, with the exception of some of his sperm cells. … It turns out that he still has all of his male appendages. How he feels on the inside is irrelevant to the question of his biological self.”
Oduolowu clarified his position that, “She wants to be called she, I’m going to call her she. I just have a problem with the message and the messenger.”
Pinsky then argued that ABC did a good job getting viewers, which is the point of an awards ceremony. Pinsky continued, “In terms of the science behind gender disphoria, you’re very familiar with that, Zoey. It’s not about the…chromosomes within our nuclei.” Tur responded, “We both know chromosomes don’t necessarily mean you’re male or female.” And “you have a thing like Klinefelter’s syndrome. So, [turning to Shapiro and touching his shoulder] you don’t know what you’re talking about, you’re not educated on genetics –.” Shapiro asked if the discussion was supposed to be on genetics and asked, “What are your genetics, sir?” Pinsky said to Tur, “I’d stay away from the genetics and back to the brain scans.”
Tur then said to Shapiro, “You cut that out now, or you’ll go home in an ambulance.” Shapiro responded, “That seems mildly inappropriate for a political discussion.” Oduolowu said that, to be fair, Shapiro was being rude, to which Shapiro answered, “I’m sorry, it’s not rude to say that someone who’s biologically a male is a male.” Tur stated, “You just called me a ‘sir.’”
After some of the other panelists, particularly radio and “Chain Reaction” host Mike Catherwood, objected that Shapiro knew that what he said would be “insulting” and “inflammatory.” Shapiro responded, “It’s not a matter of insulting or inflammatory. It’s a fact. You are a male. Dr. Drew is a male.”
Catherwood conceded, “Sir, you’re right…on paper, what is a fact is a fact, and I can’t deny that.” He maintained, “But you knew that going in that to say that to Zoey would be aggressively insulting.” Shapiro maintained, “It’s not a matter of aggressively insulting. … The entire discussion is whether we are embracing mental illness and delusion as a society, that’s the entire discussion.”
But, there’s more. Afterwards …..
You see, people should be more tolerant …… except of the ones who actually state facts, rather than engage in delusional fantasies.
There are videos available at the links.
Disclaimer: I don’t give a damn if some guy wants to play dress-up and pretend to be a woman. But, we should all deal with reality. You can chop up, and poke in whatever you wish to yourself. I don’t care. Now, I refuse to pay for it, but, if you want to pretend you’re something you’re not, then go for it!
But, avoiding reality isn’t brave, it’s cowardly.
For the women out there who may disagree with me ….. people like Bruce Jenner never had to, and never will have to deal with things such as menstruation or menopause. And, neither do people such as Zoey Tur. That’s not to mention the ability or decision as to whether or not to bear children. It simply is that people such as Bruce Jenner cannot suddenly decide to be a woman. He will never have what it is to be a woman. Not the biology, not the chemistry, not the experiences.
The same is true for the converse. Women cannot suddenly decide to be men. Ladies, I promise you, you have no idea.
Most of us laugh about our transition from child to man ……… mostly because we’re taught not to cry about anything. Some girl wants to pretend to be a man? That’s fine. But, they can’t be. They could never go through the things I went through on my journey to manhood, nor any other man on their journey.
Just because you want to doesn’t make it so, regardless of the surgeries you have performed.
Lastly, while we’re speaking of sames and differences …… In my perspective, transgender is very different from homosexual. I don’t understand why the LBGTQxyzabclmnop community lumps themselves together, as such. ….. Well, I do understand why it happens, I don’t understand why the people identifying with the group allows it to happen. They’re not the same and should not be regarded as the same.