So, earlier, we see where North Korea got a little pissy about being accused of the cyber threats against people potentially watching “The Interview”.
North Korea issues new threat against US over hacking claims as Obama weighs action
North Korea issued a new threat against the United States late Sunday and accused President Barack Obama of “recklessly” spreading rumors that Pyongyang is behind last month’s devastating cyberattack on Sony Pictures.
The long statement from the powerful National Defense Commission warned of strikes against the White House, Pentagon and “the whole U.S. mainland, that cesspool of terrorism.”
Such rhetoric is routine from North Korea’s massive propaganda machine during times of high tension with Washington. But the statement also underscores Pyongyang’s sensitivity at a movie whose plot focuses on the assassination of its leader Kim Jong Un, who is the beneficiary of a decades-long cult of personality built around his family dynasty. ….
…. “Our toughest counteraction will be boldly taken against the White House, the Pentagon and the whole U.S. mainland … by far surpassing the ‘symmetric counteraction’ declared by Obama,” said the commission’s Policy Department in a statement carried by the official Korean Central News Agency.
The latest threat came hours after President Obama confirmed that he was considering returning North Korea to the State Department’s list of state sponsors of terrorism. Obama, who previously promised in his year-end press conference on Friday to respond “proportionately” to the attack, has termed the breach as an act of “cybervandalism that was very costly, very expensive” as opposed to an act of war….
…. But adding North Korea back could be difficult. To meet the criteria, the State Department must determine that a country has repeatedly supported acts of international terrorism, a definition that traditionally has referred to violent, physical attacks rather than hacking.
Obama’s other options, which include sanctions targeting high-level North Korean officials and retaliatory cyberattacks, are limited. The U.S. already has trade penalties in place and there is no appetite for military action.
Also Sunday, Sony lawyer David Boies told NBC’s “Meet The Press” that the studio would distribute “The Interview,” a comedy starring Seth Rogen and James Franco as bumbling journalists tapped by the CIA to assassinate Kim Jong Un. Sony scrapped a planned Christmas Day release of the film after receiving terror threats targeting movie theaters from the hackers, who refer to themselves as the Guardians of Peace.
“What Sony has been trying to do is to get the picture out to the public,” while protecting the rights of company employers and moviegoers, Boies said. He added that theaters “quite understandably” decided not to show the film as scheduled because of the threats. “You can’t release a movie unless you have a distribution channel,” he said.
In the CNN interview, Obama renewed his criticism of Sony’s decision to shelve “The Interview,” despite the company’s insistence that its hand was forced by the theaters’ refusal to show it.
Obama suggested he might have been able to help address the problem if given the chance. “You know, had they talked to me directly about this decision, I might have called the movie theater chains and distributors and asked them what that story was,” he said.
Sony’s CEO has disputed that the company never reached out, saying he spoke to a senior White House adviser about the situation before Sony announced the decision. White House officials said Sony did discuss cybersecurity with the federal government, but that the White House was never consulted on the decision not to distribute the film.
“I think we’ve got to recognize that this is not a Sony security problem,” Boies said. “This is a national security problem.”
Sorry for the length on this, but, I will attempt to address many of the statements after we see this ……..
RETALIATION? North Korea’s Internet goes dark in possible cyberattack
North Korea experienced a massive Internet outage Monday, and some researchers and web watchers speculated that the country’s online connections could be under cyberattack.
The Internet outage comes less than a week after the U.S. vowed an unspecified response to a massive hacking attack against Sony Pictures Entertainment over the release of the comedy film “The Interview.” ……
…. North Korea is one of the least connected in the world. Few North Koreans have access to computers, and even those who do are typically able to connect only to a domestic intranet. Though North Korea is equipped for broadband Internet, only a small, approved segment of the population has any access to the World Wide Web. More than a million people, however, are now using mobile phones in North Korea. The network covers most major cities but users cannot call outside the country or receive calls from outside.
Doug Madory, the director of Internet analysis at New Hampshire-based Dyn Research, a company that studies Internet connectivity, said the problems were discovered over the weekend and grew progressively worse to the point that “North Korea’s totally down.” …..
… Routing instabilities are not uncommon, but this particular outage had gone on for hours and was getting worse instead of better, Madory said.
“This doesn’t fit that profile,” of an ordinary routing problem, he said. “This shows something getting progressively worse over time.”
Another Internet technology service, Arbor Networks, which protects companies against hacker attacks, said its monitoring detected denial-of-service attacks aimed at North Korea’s infrastructure starting Saturday and persisting Monday. Such attacks transmit so much spurious data traffic to Internet equipment that it becomes overwhelmed, until the attacks stop or the spurious traffic can be filtered and discarded to allow normal connections to resume.
Okay, that was a lot of words for no more than what is going on.
First of all, let me say that I’ve not seen any proof North Korea is synonymous with the Guardians of Peace. I would assume Sony and the US government have ways to determine exactly where the hack of Sony came from, but, I don’t really have much faith in the US government’s IT/Net Admin people. Given Sony’s hackability, their proficiency in such matters is also in question. It is entirely possible someone, or some entity is playing both Sony and the US government. I also recognize this could be a scam by Sony.
So, the story is Sony and a lot of other folks received threats, warning dire consequences if anyone watched “The Interview”. Sony made a big deal out of this, and the theaters decided not to show the comedy. Most Americans (other than some at Breitbart) wanted the movie shown. I agree. Call the idiotic bluff and if something horrid happens, respond ….. most severely.
In the meantime, president Zero said we’d respond … somehow. And, he wishes “he” was consulted. Sony says they were in touch with the administration.
North Korea got pissy, and then threatened us ….. because Sony and the government was blaming North Korea for the hacks and the threats.
This reminds me of my grandchildren, except they’re a bit more mature.
I hope team Zero isn’t behind the internet outage. If they are, in essence, we’re responsible for stopping both of the North Koreans from access to porn.
For the record, a Denial of Service, or a DOS, isn’t a big trick. It’s easily accomplished. Depending upon how much traffic one is set up to receive, depends on how many connections one must use for a DOS. But, it is nowhere close to a 1:1 ratio. That is to say, one internet connection attempting a DOS can clog up a lot of bandwidth. Want to impress me with a DOS? Do it specific to the users. But, then, that would require a real hack.
For the media’s part, they’ve taken this to an obscene level. Look again at some of what I quoted from the articles …….
the attack, has termed the breach as an act of “cybervandalism that was very costly, very expensive” as opposed to an act of war ….
The U.S. already has trade penalties in place and there is no appetite for military action.
“I think we’ve got to recognize that this is not a Sony security problem,” Boies said. “This is a national security problem.”
This is because this wasn’t an act of war. And because this wasn’t an act of war, there’s no appetite for military action.
The US gets threatened every day. If we responded with the military every time we were threatened, the world would be a wasteland.
Sony’s hack is a Sony security problem.
It isn’t a US security problem unless the threats are credible.
Look, I volunteer to watch the movie, in public, alone, or with anyone else who wishes to watch the damned thing. Then, we’ll see if the US has a security problem, in this regard, or not. It’s really not that hard.
The Lesson ……
Few North Koreans have access to computers, and even those who do are typically able to connect only to a domestic intranet.
Yeh. You know, not every corporate computer needs access to the internet. Not every government computer needs access to the internet.
For those who haven’t figured this out, yet, you can have connectivity to the computers you need to have connectivity with, without being exposed to the internet.
An intranet can keep you safe from the internet. An intranet can be as large as you want it to be. Any internet connection is a potential security breach.
Why are US companies and governmental agencies subject to hacking and DOS attacks? Because everyone believes they need to be on the internet. They don’t. In many ways, the corporate US and the US government should mimic North Korea’s view on internet access. In all things, there is a price you pay for convenience.
First, I doubt the US caused NK to go dark. That was just UN trying a “me too”. Second, I do not care what Obama calls it. I do care that he threatened, and he will not follow through. Of that I am sure.
UN? Is this kind of joke? Or you mistyped?
Kim Jung UN – I just call him UN for short. But the similarities do not stop there.
Hint – I did not write “The UN”.
“Obama suggested he might have been able to help address the problem if given the chance. “You know, had they talked to me directly about this decision, I might have called the movie theater chains and distributors and asked them what that story was,” he said. ”
Priorities, priorities.
I wonder, it’s a comedy, so will they have a laugh track when Kim’s head explodes on screen?
I can’t remember, did the US news have a laugh track when they showed the disembowelment of Gaddafhi?
I do not recall that being shown by major US media. Heck, it took work to see Saddam’s execution and even *that* wasn’t on major US media. US media edited out the jumpers from the 9/11/01 attacks that were shown *live* for a time back then.
They also edited out the plane that hit the Pentagon.
Plane? Plane? We’ve been told that the evil US government blew up the Pentagon with missiles and blamed it on the poor Islamic terrorists. Since you’ve been bad-mouthing the US lately, I’m surprised you aren’t joining the missile chorus.
(Of course it was a plane. The crash site was littered with plane debris, engine parts, bodies, etc.)
Jim
So the first thing they did was collect all surveillance videos from all cameras from all shops and gas stations and declare them a state secret because they show an airplane flying towards the Pentagon, which is what they want you to believe anyway, while the defense missiles of the best defended building in the Western hemisphere took a day off?
Yeah, I found that pretty hilarious as well.
The problem is they did not capture all that film. Too much in private hands. You are beginning to sound like a real conspiracy nut.
Phil, if you know a video showing it please link it. I have never seen a video of it. If that makes me sound like a conspiracy nut I can’t change it.
I do not doubt that there was a hole in the Pentagon.
I never said “hitting”, but I did say of the plane – flying 30 feet above 395. ANd yes, your rejection of the evidence and eye witness accounts is what makes you a conspiracy nut. Not my proclamation.
I certainly remember live video showing a plane hitting the Pentagon. [If you’ve flown out of Washington National Airport, back in the old days, you used to come in where you could see the Pentagon.]
I also know of people that knew people that lost family members on that plane. Remember Barbara Olson! I’ve driven on I 95, which runs just west of the Pentagon, past the Pentagon. I’m reasonably sure that Ted Olson has tape and will never forget how he lost his wife. http://www.legacy.com/sept11/story.aspx?personid=91819.
Update: I’m going to have to give Dirk some benefit of the doubt. Most of the video that I can find, currently, does not show anything very well. The hotel camera, in particular, shows I 95 traffic and the boom/fire. There is a low streak that comes across the I 95 traffic, but the quality is so poor that you can interpret it any way you want.
The clearest shots are stills of the wreckage, some of which show pieces of the airplane, particularly pieces that would not burn in the fire.
There are those that say that the Pentagon should have shown more damage than it did, but I say they don’t understand that the Pentagon was built differently than every other building in/around DC. It was designed to take a hit and to prevent the rapid spread of fire, should it be bombed or otherwise take external damage.
philjourdan says:
December 23, 2014 at 7:13 pm
“ANd yes, your rejection of the evidence and eye witness accounts is what makes you a conspiracy nut.”
If I reject evidence, link to that evidence so I can consider it.
Eye witness accounts count about as much as testimony by a Hollywood actor. We know from Gulf war 1 that the American administrations train witnesses to provide false evidence.
YOu can create any illusion you want. We see that with truthers, and with the whole “it is not the evidence, but the seriousness of the charges” crap that is now the rule, not the exception.
If you are truly interested, I would suggest starting here – http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/debunking-911-myths-pentagon
But then you can dismiss that as well as another conspiracy theory. Sad to say, your paranoia has increased to the point where you sound like a nut. I only hope this is a temporary issue.
philjourdan says:
December 25, 2014 at 11:33 am
“Sad to say, your paranoia has increased to the point where you sound like a nut. I only hope this is a temporary issue.”
Phil, I looked into a lot of history, and I find badly patched up stories everywhere, and it’s getting ever more interesting. Who’s interest is it to tell a certain story a certain way, who’s telling it and why.
For a number of years now I watch European system media fall into an abbyss of lies, lying now being their predominant activity, and there’s now general consensus here, nobody trusts them anymore. I find that perfectly sane. I mean look how your leftist media treated Benghazi; even Fox only HINTED at the obvious goings-on of weapons and jihadist transfer from Libya to Syria.
So, you might say I’m becoming paranoid; no; I am reassessing the stories I’ve been told. Why? To be able to make better forecasts. Existencial need if you will.
Dirk, you can make yourself see anything,. and you are. The key is to separate the facts from the fiction,and understand that not all “counter facts” are reality/ Yes, there are a lot of things going on. But you are taking 2+2 and extrapolating that to all equations. Stick to the facts. You are falling into the conspiracy trap where just because you see a 2, you have to assume there is another 2 that makes 4. Sometimes there is. Sometimes there is not.
And not every 2 is equal. Look at the facts, but do not accept the assumptions, Just because you find one relationship does not make it a law that all relationships are the same. Indeed, that is the Achilles heel of most of these looney tunes! Yes, find the facts that lead to the truth,. Do not assume that path leads to all truths!
And that is what you are doing, You found a truth, But that is one truth. It does not apply to all, Beware the dark side Anakin,
philjourdan says:
December 25, 2014 at 11:33 am
“If you are truly interested, I would suggest starting here – http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/debunking-911-myths-pentagon
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Okay, that’s a typical maintenance job. You notice these – BADLY done – maintenance jobs because of their HUGE GAPING holes.
The maintenance author does not mention that the Pentagon is the best defended building of the Western World, and he doesn’t mention that the Pentagon has surface to air missile batteries, and what they did on that day.
Now that’s a HUGE omission, but he gets away with it because the public never got told about the existence of these missile batteries.
So they ignore a whole aspect of the story. They cannot ever mention the missiles because it instantly destroys the entire rest of the story.
The gaping hole is the ABM, It could have been a black hole. Perhaps you should get a job on CNN so you can explain where Malaysian flights go.
There are a million gaping holes. But none of them are even remotely plausible given the EVIDENCE at hand.
Come back to the real world. Seriously.
philjourdan says:
December 25, 2014 at 6:31 pm
“The gaping hole is the ABM, It could have been a black hole. Perhaps you should get a job on CNN so you can explain where Malaysian flights go.
There are a million gaping holes. But none of them are even remotely plausible given the EVIDENCE at hand.”
I will ignore that handwaving and will continue to ask: Why is it that a slow fat easily located passenger jet was not shot down by SAM’s in the best secured airspace of the world.
Wherever the answer leads to. I am sure there will be no answer to that question, only knee-jerk insults. which are an answer in themselves.
Gee, I dunno, maybe because we were not at war, and no one was expecting it? Remember KAL 007?
Dirk, get off the drugs.
Dirk, when was the last time you saw a SAM site on US soil? You have no clue as to what you are speaking of. The only time I ever saw one was after 911, when mobile SAM’s were ringing DC. Get away from the troofer sites, as they are rotting your brain.
Dirk, where do/did you get your information that the Pentagon is the most heavily defended building in the world? Before 9-11, pretty much any Joe Blow could walk right up to it. Before Ronald Reagan was shot, you could walk past the White House, heck you still can. Even after that shooting, concrete barricades blocking vehicles were not placed until much later, beginning in 1995 after the OKC Federal building bombing and made permanent after 9/11/01.
Dirk, look at a map. A multilane highway runs west of it. Two big airports are just a few miles away. Heck, the last time I drove past it (before 9/11), I don’t even recall there being razor wire on the fence, unlike most of our prisons. True, I might be wrong about that memory. Here’s this photo, but I can’t vet it: http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=pentagon+fence&view=detailv2&&qpvt=pentagon+fence&id=EF02A683BB7D21CF8DFD548EB269236CB5B3811F&selectedIndex=23&ccid=b5rAAH%2b4&simid=608047479806428510&thid=HN.608047479806428510.
Did they have a laugh track when they assassinated Bush? You seem to latch onto a person or segment of American society and paint the whole country with that warped interpretation.
Phil, do you really want to defend Hollywood and your media?
I do understand that many Americans *are* brainwashed by that media but that’s their problem.
Dirk, I am not defending either. I am defending the American people. YOur statement was not about Hollywood, but the people. Perhaps you want to clarify it?
Reblogged this on Climate Ponderings and commented:
HA HA HA HA!
http://teapartyorg.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=4301673:Topic:3358592&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_topic
My brother worked at the Pentagon when it was attacked, and lost friends that day. There is no doubt as to what hit the Pentagon, and who is to blame. The following video shows incontrovertible evidence that it was a plane that was used in the attack. We buried our dead, now let’s bury the myths.
Amen
gator69 says:
December 25, 2014 at 1:35 pm
“There is no doubt as to what hit the Pentagon, and who is to blame.”
I agree with the second part. To know what hit it I need to see more than a computer comic blending fuzzy stills into make belief.
Dirk, you obviously want to believe as you do. The evidence is clear, the photos are unambiguous. No cruise missile would have left the path of destruction seen at the Pentagon that day. Just as it will take a glacier rolling over Chicago to convince the warmists they are wrong, no amount of post event evidence will convince you that you are wrong. You disrespect our dead with your ill found beliefs, please stop.
Dirk has been bad-mouthing the US and its institutions for weeks now. I just consider the source.
I’m still trying to wrap my mind around the fact that he doesn’t believe that Maxwell’s equations are valid. I guess Ohm’s law is suspect too. I’ve stopped arguing about relativity with him as there is no basis to begin a discussion. At least he hasn’t called me a liar yet.
Jim
gator69 says:
December 26, 2014 at 2:15 am
“You disrespect our dead with your ill found beliefs, please stop.”
You say that not believing the US government disrespects the victims? Think about that for a moment yourself.
Jim Masterson says:
December 26, 2014 at 3:57 am
“Dirk has been bad-mouthing the US and its institutions for weeks now.”
Yeah okay, give us some balance, praise them for their great qualities and give examples, please.
They are, overall,no better or worse than any other countries, including your own. YOu seem to be trying to portray them as the root of all evil. No one is trying to portray them as the source of all good.
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Yeah okay, give us some balance, praise them for their great qualities and give examples, please.
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Okay. How about General McAuliffe’s Christmas message to his troops in 1944 (and his reply to the German troops surrounding his position):
http://www.freedomshrine.com/historic-documents/mcauliffe-christmas-message.php
Jim
Brevity. A quote that will live in perpetuity,.
Bravo Zulu!
Yep! Nuts, was as short and to the point as it gets, Phil! 😉
Jim Masterson says:
December 26, 2014 at 3:57 am
“I’m still trying to wrap my mind around the fact that he doesn’t believe that Maxwell’s equations are valid. ”
Thanks for prodding me into looking into that again.
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/spring01/Electrodynamics.html
As to your WW II comment;
I shall refrain from commenting on the American habit of carpet bombing.
Condor Legion.
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DirkH says:
December 26, 2014 at 8:54 pm
As to your WW II comment;
I shall refrain from commenting on the American habit of carpet bombing.
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Nuts!
Jim
Perfect!
Damn!
100 year anniversary.
Dirk, I’ll take the heat again. Everyone loved this last year, I still do, I didn’t see any of this, this year here. I tried, with some funny stuff, but to no avail.
But then again just considering how many times Global Warming Alarmist and their kind was considered to be a religeon, even here, and you don’t even see it for your selves???
So you would expect Me to believe in the same manner as what them alarmist believe, but different, because religeon. But it’s different? And then you wonder why I am agnostic, with some calling Me atheist. It doesn’t matter to Me, but maybe it does for you, so I’m sorry, but I am what I am and I was up front with it. If your looking for the enemy within, well ya have to keep looking.
So you are Popeye? 😉
So how many of you still think you are libertarians?
I am conservative with a very heavy libertarian leaning.
😆
“You say that not believing the US government disrespects the victims?”
Strawman much?
Believing ridiculous and hateful scenarios while dismissing the real killers is highly disrespectful to those who perished, those who lost loved ones and those who died to protect us. Do not try and spin my argument as some form of patriotism, when it is nothing more than respect for logic, and respect for the dead.
http://twitchy.com/2014/12/26/picture-is-worth-a-million-words-james-woods-perfectly-encapsulates-the-real-problem-photo/
Me says:
“So how many of you still think you are libertarians?
Viva la libertà!
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DirkH says:
December 26, 2014 at 8:54 pm
Thanks for prodding me into looking into that again.
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It took me a while to read your link.
First off, it’s possible that all of our known physics is completely wrong. That said, the idea about anti-gravity is interesting. All you need is a demonstration of that fact, and we can make space travel as easy as falling off a log. It’s strange that no one has done so. Or not, considering that it’s probably not possible. (Again, show me a demonstration of anti-gravity.)
Also, when they start attacking thermodynamics, that means they want to build a perpetual motion machine. Good luck with that too. Thermodynamics is one of best tested group of theories in physics. If any discipline can be said to be settle science, that would be thermodynamics.
So what you have is anti-gravity and something besides thermodynamics. I don’t see much going for you there.
Jim