And Yet, No Huge Demonstrations And Protests? Why?

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So, a new poll has been released and fairly broadly covered

CNN has found that support for the war in Afghanistan is below 20% of the American public. 

It has been said, that the problem with conservatives is the failure to show up to a protest, or something of that nature.  And, for the most part, that’s true.  We don’t, typically.  Thankfully, some Tea party types are bucking the trend, but, we’ve a long ways to go to match the left.  This is, in part, because of our very nature.  We’re individualists.  Personally, I hate being stuck in a throng of people, regardless of the cause or event. 

But, this isn’t about our lack of participation in angry demonstrations.  It’s about the left’s seeming unwillingness to do so.  CNN has this to say ……

Just 17% of those questioned say they support the 12-year-long war, down from 52% in December 2008. Opposition to the conflict now stands at 82%, up from 46% five years ago.

“Independents have a much gloomier view of the war in Afghanistan than Republicans or Democrats,” Holland said. “That may be because a Republican president started the war and a Democratic president has continued it, so there may be some residual support among people who identify with either party.”

Well, yes, and no.  We should recall what the stated purpose of the mission was.  It was to find Bin Laden.  The reason why 52% of the people favored it in 08 was because president Zero used it as a wedge issue and contrasted it against the unpopular war in Iraq.  For many of us, by then, realized that the original aim wasn’t what we were doing there. 

Now consider the 17% number now.  I suppose there are some Repubs who would still support us being there, but I don’t know who or why.  At one time, with our presence in Iraq, and Afghanistan, it almost made sense because of the sabre rattling with Iran, and the tactical advantage of having two large forces bordering Iran.  Clearly, that’s not the aim now, if it ever was.  17%.  Assume that’s equally split among Dems and Repubs, (I don’t have the details of the poll).  That would mean that over 90% of the Dems don’t believe we should be there.  So my question is, where the hell are they? 

Remember all the protests and whatnot, pronouncing Bush and Cheney as war criminals and the like?  Where is the group-thinking group-joining throngs of angry people demanding the immediate withdraw?  Where have they been?

Well, we all know the answer to the questions.  They put politics over what they deem as good for the nation.  They don’t give a rat’s ass about the soldiers or civilians or how this affects the world view of America, they just care about the optics of a Dem president.  Which, BTW, we see CNN engaging in the same.  Here’s an early paragraph …..

The U.S. timetable for Afghanistan calls for the removal of nearly all troops by roughly this time next year, and that can’t come fast enough for the vast majority of Americans. Just over half would rather see U.S. troops withdrawn earlier than December 2014.

Oh, we’re going to withdraw at the end of next year, anyway, right?  Later in the article ….

Some 2,300 U.S. troops have been killed in Afghanistan since the war began in the autumn of 2001. The U.S. is quickly drawing down its forces in Afghanistan. If a bilateral security agreement that would keep up to 10,000 U.S. troops in Afghanistan after the end of 2014 isn’t signed in the near future, the U.S. could withdrawal all forces from Afghanistan at the end of next year.

The fact is, we have no hard and fast commitment to withdraw our forces and the Obama administration is vying to have our troops there in perpetuity.  Again, where the hell are they?

I find this part of the article curious, as well.

Fifty-seven percent say the conflict is going badly for the U.S. and only a third say America is winning the war in Afghanistan.

How would you know whether or not things are going badly or whether we’re “winning” or not.  We don’t have an objective!!!  In order to win something, you have to have a goal of some sort.  Can anyone even give the stated objective for our presence in Afghanistan?  Anyone?

This is why this conflict is less popular than any other conflict.  Regardless of how one felt about the other conflicts, there was a stated goal.  Further, in Iraq, there were demonstrable and quantifiable gains.  We ended a despotic tyranny.  We introduced millions to democracy.  And, we had a military presence in the midst of a part of the world in turmoil and we secured a source of energy for the world.   Sadly, again, because of the optics, this administration and at the approval of the left, we’ve thrown away any and all gains made in Iraq.  Thrown away because politics take precedence over the welfare of this nation or any other nation, for that matter.

For me, this is a difficult thing.  I’m well aware of the various disagreements as to what is and isn’t in the interests of the US and it’s people.  Reasonable people can disagree.  But, here, we see that the disagreement isn’t about what is in the interests of this nation or this nation’s people, or even Afghanistan’s.  It’s about what’s in the interests of the Democrat party.  It’s difficult not to loathe them for this. 

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17 Responses to And Yet, No Huge Demonstrations And Protests? Why?

  1. leftinflagstaff says:

    ‘It has been said, that the problem with conservatives is the failure to show up to a protest, or something of that nature. And, for the most part, that’s true. We don’t, typically. Thankfully, some Tea party types are bucking the trend, but, we’ve a long ways to go to match the left. This is, in part, because of our very nature. We’re individualists. Personally, I hate being stuck in a throng of people, regardless of the cause or event.’

    Another great use for the internets. No one had to show up at A&E’s door.

    As for Afghanistan, or any war: Yes. No defined goals, No go.

  2. play nice says:

    “Personally, I hate being stuck in a throng of people, regardless of the cause or event.’”

    so I’m not the only one even my shadow is too close for comfort

  3. DirkH says:

    “But, here, we see that the disagreement isn’t about what is in the interests of this nation or this nation’s people, or even Afghanistan’s. It’s about what’s in the interests of the Democrat party. It’s difficult not to loathe them for this. ”

    Nobody, not even the Leftist followers, knows the objectives. Pipeline geopolitics? New new Great Game? Protecting the opium protection? Teaching Afghans something else than stone age Islam? Really? The regime has a communications problem (like climate science). What part of Taliban and / or Al Qaeda are an American creation, at what times are they allies, at what time enemies? Karzai is one of the good guys? Really???

    Allegedly Schröder (the chancellor before Merkel) had to go prematurely because he didn’t support the Afghan war enthusiastically enough (the Germans have all the time just defended their base and rarely left it).

  4. sthtxs says:

    How could anyone support the Iraq war? Saddam was our guy until he got out of line. As for democracy, they do not even know what that is over there.

  5. We need to get out now! Been saying this….

  6. Bruce says:

    And this is exactly why I was two-minded by the Bush-Rumsfeld grand strategy of converting a country to democracy as a way to eliminate the threat. Obama cannot disavow Afghanistan as he has said its the ‘good war’ where Iraq was the bad war. Both actually were bad wars in their strategic aims and execution.

    Israel has learned this lesson quietly and well.

    Their position, unstated, is that you cannot win a war with a Muslim population as they will hate you forever no matter what you do. Which is a realistic empirical assumption. Their answer to this problem was an old Roman one: don’t conquer them. Instead let them build up an elite with possessions of value, then go in and trash those possessions. Do it two or three times and the elites strangely are less enamoured of wars with Israel. In Gaza Hamas suppresses Islamic Jihad since they know when IJ fires rockets over the border Hamas SUV’s collect the Hellfire missiles. Same goes with Hezbollah in Lebanon, who rather like their bling and rather dislike the idea of it splattered all over the country by F-16’s with the Star of David on them.

    The US should have done that in both Iraq and Afghanistan. It would have worked as it did for the Romans. Conquering them doesn’t.

    • cdquarles says:

      I am not so sure we wanted to conquer them, at least so for GW Bush. I think the idea was modeled on the aftermath of the European War that ended in ’45.

      I agree with you about the Roman method. Unfortunately for us, our leftists would never allow us to operate in that manner. Too bloody.

      You could win a war against a Muslim population; but you’d have to exterminate it, not just decimate it. Islam is a religion of hatred and subjugation. Carthgo deleda est, we lack the balls to do.

      • cdquarles says:

        I need a new keyboard. Cleaning it fails to work properly. *delenda

      • DirkH says:

        “You could win a war against a Muslim population; but you’d have to exterminate it, not just decimate it.”

        De-islamize; like de-nazification. Tell them that worshipping a book that demands waging war against everyone else is not acceptable. Don’t know whether the USA has the moral authority to do that though. For obvious reasons.

        • cdquarles says:

          That’s incompatible (at the Federal level) with our First Amendment. That said, the States and local areas could do so, within limits based on the 9th, 10th, and to a lesser extent, the 14th.

        • DirkH says:

          Re the moral legitimation, I was thinking more along the lines that the USA reserves the right to attack anyone anywhere at any time and calls it defense. Since about 1898.

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