Robyn Williams Thinks CO2 Is As Bad As Asbestos And Crack Cocaine Smoke Residue!

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Calls Anyone Pointing Out Absurdity Same As Pedophile! Uses Discredited Psychologist As Resource!

This would be incredibly funny if it wasn’t so pathetic. 

Australian ABC’s Robyn Williams decided to equivocate asbestos and crack smoke to carbon dioxide.  Anyone challenging the notion CO2 isn’t as bad as such things, he labeled the equivalent to a pedophile.  Here’s what the moron stated….

“What if I told you pedophilia is good for children, or that asbestos is an excellent inhalant for those with asthmatics, or that smoking crack is a normal part and a healthy one of teenage life, to be encouraged? You’d rightly find it outrageous, but there have been similar statements coming out of inexpert mouths, distorting the science.”

Of course, no skeptic ever uttered such nonsense.  It is simply a projection and qualifier for his next statement…….

“These distortions of science are far from trivial, our neglect of what may be clear and urgent problems could be catastrophic and now a professor of psychology at UWA has shown what he says is the basis of this unrelenting debauchery of the facts…”

This is an odd statement all by itself.  Look at the structure of this sentence and the qualifier used.  The word “may”.  For those challenged in the English language, as Mr. Williams appears to be, in this context the word “may” means

may

  1. indicates possibility: indicates that something is possibly true
  2. indicates that something could happen: indicates that something could have happened, or could happen in the future

Could, or possibly, or maybe?  This indicates uncertainty.  How can “could happen” be clear and urgent?  If it is clear and urgent, then there really isn’t uncertainty.

imageWhat’s funny about this is that after decades of the lunatics crying “the end is nigh“,  we see that nothing unusual is happening with our weather.  None of their dire prognostications have come to fruition.  And, when they don’t, they always push back the clock and invent different/same prognostications.  What’s fascinating about all of this is how they cling to their dark fantasies.  Good heavens!  Even Harold Camping demonstrates and ability to learn beyond Williams and team.

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imageEven more fascinating is the inclusion of conspiracy theorist Stephan Lewandowsky in order to buttress his climate nutjobbery claims.  Lewdy, as we all recall, asserted that truthers were free market capitalists or something.  He wrote a paper in this regard, but it was utterly destroyed by Steve McIntyre.  Simply go here, and work your way through the posts.  To date, I don’t believe his paper has been accepted for publishing, but, I would find it funny if it were. 

What is interesting to note, is that neither Williams nor Lewdy offer any of the arguments which skeptics supposedly lie about.  Nor do they offer any “experts”.  Lewdy has been academia his entire life.  He’s never done anything other than think very strange thoughts.  Williams is a journalist.  And a poor one at that.  He simply spews inanities without so much as offering any evidence to back up what he spews. 

So there you have it.  A fellow equivocates crack smoke and asbestos with CO2 and a conspiracy nutter have got together and decided rational people are lying.  And, Australia gave them air time.  How nice. 

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29 Responses to Robyn Williams Thinks CO2 Is As Bad As Asbestos And Crack Cocaine Smoke Residue!

  1. DirkH says:

    Lew and Williams have in common that they are statists in the service of a warmist government which now puts all its effort into crushing science and suppressing dissent. For the moment by smearing the opposition. Maybe they will later resort to planting evidence and criminalizing the opposition.

    As Australia has no constitution, and quite arbitrary application of law – I’m thinking of the expropriation of farmers via the mad Kyoto credit schemes by forcing farmers to let overgrowth happen – or the arbitrary killing of people by forcing them to not clear fire hazards around their homes – I think it’s a pretty dangerous place to live as long as you’re not an urban collectivist.

    Maybe something really ugly will happen next.

    • suyts says:

      I hope not. I get the impression the Australians are losing their patience with the green nutters.

    • DirkH says: said: ”As Australia has no constitution, and quite arbitrary application of law”

      Reason the Warmist want to get read of the monarchy in OZ. They don’t want anybody above the law. B] Williams is a lying M/F, working for ABC botanical name: (The Lefty’s Trumpet) == he exhails CO2 from his lungs – for his vocal cords to use that CO2, to badmouth CO2…

  2. Jim Masterson says:

    And don’t forget you’re a racist if you speak English.

    Jim

  3. Me says:

    The spin Dr.’s at their finest. 😆

  4. gator69 says:

    Ever since the cancellation of “Mork & Mindy”, he just hasn’t been all that funny. 😉

  5. kelly liddle says:

    Hey is this get stuck into the Aussies time? I will have more to say about this.

    • suyts says:

      I hope you and many more of our Aussie friends would have much more to say about this.

      • kelly liddle says:

        Not so sure you want me to do that, I have had a few beers and will be broad ranging, you know my character by now I like to stir things up some times.

      • suyts says:

        Ahh, Kelly, of course, I want you to share your insights. Even if, especially if, I disagree with what you have to say.

        Kelly, as you’ve noted in the past, this site stays relatively cordial compared to other places. It is this that allows us to re-evaluate our positions, or hone our arguments. For me, beer is the ultimate truth serum. 🙂

  6. kelly liddle says:

    Dirk are you serious or just stirring? “As Australia has no constitution, and quite arbitrary application of law” Apparently Australia is about number 6 on the list of countries in the world for not being this, on the 2 measures listed only NZ beats Aus in both and that is embarrasing but as a German you should be far more embarrassed about your position on corruption http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking Check out the rule of law pages. If you believe the first part of the comment then get real I think every country has one. Dirk as far as Australia being a dangerous place ok maybe a little more dangerous than Israel based on life expectancies but you could hardly call it dangerous on a world standard.

    The reason Israel has a high life expectancy at least in part is their good socialised healthcare. This also goes for public housing etc. So the righties should be up in arms about the socialist country but they are not. So supporting socialism is about what type of socialist I suppose which I actually agree with (limited socialism is very good for a society). It is like government it should have limits set on it.

    The ABC and CSIRO or NASA and NOAA are very good organisations. Ok it might be fair enough to say that they seem to be abandoning science but this is definately not the case all the time and elements of all these organisations I do not agree with but to attack the whole organisation is irrational and throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

    I trust the ABC much more than any other Australian based media organisation for content. With editorial any viewer should make up their own mind and would put them on par with Fox at times (not very good).

    With the reference to “Crack” must mean he at least follows something about the US as crack is not and never has been a significant problem in Aus.

    I just talked to my Thai friend who one time told me that “Lucky Thai isn’t Christian” some time ago, I found myself defending the Christians, of all people. I just asked her then why she say that? (at the original time I got angry and took it offensively and maybe didn’t listen to her answer) Her explanation was that Islam and Christian were opposite when it comes to alcohol and therefore there was more tension. An interesting second thing was that she said it would be the same as if someone offered a Muslim pork. If I do not know some ones religion I would offer both of course but if someone has personal problems with a food then of course not.

    This I think is a good reason to make sure whenever you pass judgement on a society (or preferably group within as there is no society in the world that is completely generic) to make sure you know what you are talking about.

    Completely off topic if i could get any further, what do people think about the demographic war going on in Israel/Palestine? It is actually a stated policy of both sides and does this mean actually they both respect democracy in a way as being inevitable? http://israelipalestinian.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000636#graph1

    • Bruce says:

      The ABC and CSIRO or NASA and NOAA are very good organisations.

      Er, Kelly, sorry to disagree with you but I have worked off and on with CSIRO people for decades, had work done by them and even have done work for CSIRO. CSIRO is not well regarded by industry. “Couldn’t find their backside with both hands” is the general impression I get from people (and which, with some significant exceptions, is my personal experience). They have good kit, but when scoping work from them it is necessary to be careful to straightjacket their ability to go off the rails. Furthermore I know their CEO well having worked for that person in a different organisation, and who I respected until I heard about their family company.

      The ABC is so beyond biassed that it is hard to think of them as anything but hypocrites considering their Charter. They should at very least be moved to the current SBS model, since begging for advertising moderates SBS’s inherent bias reasonably well. It would also save some of my taxes which I have no choice but to pay to support an organisation (the ABC) which would probably quite like to consign me to a gulag if it had the chance.

      I have a relation who has worked with ABC people for a very long time and we have entertaining conversations at the cricket about that person’s experiences in meetings of their ideology and political outlook. Its not pretty.

      NASA is very good (although overly bureaucratised) in space science. NASA GISS and NOAA however could do quite well as organs of the Party in 1970’s Moscow. Their distortion of scientific data is foul and disgusting to me a career scientist. I am much more respectful of NASA GSFC who are somewhat more careful and sceptical (in the classic sense) in the climate space.

      But CSIRO and ABC are rank and abhorrent organisations in their current form. And this is my sadly personal experience.

      • kelly liddle says:

        Bruce
        From the way you speak about CSIRO you seem to think there are endemic problems there now. They still come up with good things though like WiFi or developing fuel cells etc.. So to me they can’t be all bad but maybe they are not cost effective and have a lot of waste. So how could the CSIRO improve or do you think in a way it is too late?

        I agree to a point about the ABC although as I stated it is still one of the best tv stations for information and I have the ability to take what I want from the editorial so it doesn’t worry me. Are they to a point sort of a propaganda machine based on their ideology? Possibly and that shouldn’t be the case but I would hope the majority of Australians can think for themselves.

        • DirkH says:

          “but I would hope the majority of Australians can think for themselves.”

          ABC, BBC, CBC, German Public Media and Der Spiegel operate in a very unashamed manner… They have an absolutely preposterous understanding of reality, just like e.g. Obama or the Eurocrats and deliver their slanted reports with 100% deadpan delivery.

          They know what they’re doing. When they report about something they don’t understand at all – like about the goings-on in the Big Financial crisis 2008, you will notice that they continue with exactly the same certainty as usual but you see the holes in their narrative; the fact that they confuse numbers, the cracks at the seams.

          You see it when they report about climate science – they have to this day never understood that the climate models are expensive junk and continue to deliver with dead-certainty their absolute insistence that the dogma is right.

          They are all flim flam men. Not one of them is interested in delivering the facts uninterpreted. Name me one good reporter at these institutions.

        • Bruce says:

          Kelly – The immediate suggestion I can make is to require mandatory rotation of staff through the private sector. Mandatory. Say 2 year stints before any promotion, with reviews. Private sector is not perfection but they do require results and need to meet customer requirements. They are much more politically diverse.

          Of course this will never happen, like trying to make a thousand donkeys go in a direction they don’t want to go.

          Like universities and any government organisation CSIRO attract a certain type who seeks comfort and security. I have seen this a lot. Cotton wool wrapping. You don’t get exposure to the real world in this bubble.

          I get this with Chinese professionals also, they tend to have a bland box thinking mindset because they have to conform to get to their positions. No diversity of mind. The free thinking ones don’t go into a profession, too dangerous. Whereas younger Russians who have worked through the post USSR period are much more free thinking and flexible.

          I would very much like CSIRO to improve. Likewise I used to enjoy ABC’s services, but as they have become more and more attuned to one very narrow subsector of society I find in more irksome to have to pay for them.

          Regarding Mr Williams, I used to enjoy the Science Show, but with the advent of the religious environmental ideology and the CAGW thing he has become unlistenable to. Ditto Catalyst unwatchable. And they are rude and dismissive of even well argued alternative hypotheses. Just like the Church in Galileo’s time.

        • Bruce says:

          As to the majority of Aussies thinking for themselves, of course we all do. But we have no choice in supporting the ABC financially. Therefore I have a right to expect them to meet their Charter.

          I choose not to purchase Fairfax newspapers, although I scan the website each morning to see how their readers think. I will continue while I can do so for free. They are quite right to sell their newspapers with whatever slant they choose to have. They are losing money because again they are marketing to an increasingly narrow section of society. But going bankrupt is their business, not mine, since I’m not a shareholder.

    • DirkH says:

      I onve offered a vegetarian Hindu meat.

      He didn’t kill me.

    • DirkH says:

      “The ABC and CSIRO or NASA and NOAA are very good organisations. ”

      You did that to yourself, Kelly. I did watch a bunch of Chaser episodes thinking it might be funny. It turned out to be vile leftist agitation and propaganda maskerading as comedy. ABC, BBC, CBC… The same thing.

    • DirkH says:

      “I just talked to my Thai friend who one time told me that “Lucky Thai isn’t Christian” some time ago, I found myself defending the Christians, of all people. I just asked her then why she say that? (at the original time I got angry and took it offensively and maybe didn’t listen to her answer) Her explanation was that Islam and Christian were opposite when it comes to alcohol and therefore there was more tension. ”

      Kelly, that’s an interesting false dilemma. You DO know that Thailand is currently one of the countries with one of the highest number of Islamic terrorist attacks, right? With Mali and Niger, one of the countries that currently, right now, gets islamified through Jihad.

      The supreme reporters at the ABC did tell you, right?

      • kelly liddle says:

        Dirk
        Of course I know about the problems in South Thailand and that is what I was talking about with my friend. There is one particular case where 85 unarmed protestors were killed and no one has been punished. I am not aware of any recent killings of peaceful protestors on this scale in a western country. http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/press-releases/thailand-death-of-85-protestors-must-not-go-unpunished-says-amnesty-international Now of course slaughtering unarmed civilians and treating them like dogs is hardly going to help the peace is it.

        The reason for problems in South Thailand are in my opinion at least in part due to Thailand being somewhat non-secular along with historical issues as the problems in the South of Thailand have been ongoing for a long time.

        The ousted PM Thaksin was in power at the time. His government is also linked with about 2500 extrajudicial deaths in the war on drugs and it is estimated about half were not involved in the drug trade. In both the insurgency problems in the South and War on drugs there are cases where the military has just wiped out large numbers of innocent people along with dissapearances of people like journalists and lawyers. Thaksin formed a group called the red shirts while he was PM to intimidate and commit violence towards those protesting against his government. The MSM did not give this impression and was sympathetic to the “Red Shirts” never pointing out after Thaksin was ousted how and why the group was formed. Any PM or President that uses civilians to commit voilence should be got rid of, but of course the ballot box is preferable to the military doing it. If you support such totalitarian regimes (as the US did) I worry about you.

        Now his sister is in power and is she much different, it does not appear so based on the recent protests and the state of emergency declared before anything happened but have to wait and see.

    • DirkH says:

      kelly liddle says:
      November 25, 2012 at 3:10 pm
      “With the reference to “Crack” must mean he at least follows something about the US as crack is not and never has been a significant problem in Aus.”

      He didn’t say “sniffing gasoline” because nobody outside Oz would have understood and he still hopes to land a job in the US.

  7. Bruce says: ”Kelly, sorry to disagree with you but I have worked off and on with CSIRO people for decades, had work done by them and even have done work for CSIRO. CSIRO is not well regarded by industry”

    CSIRO still have few good scientists; the problem with them is: Dr. Megan Clark diverted most of their budget into GLOBAL warming propaganda, Antarctic ”Division”… They don’t have much money left for the ”essential professions”. it’s tactic – because scientist from the essential professions would have contradicted the ”Climate from Changing Stoppers”.

    Small example: I had discussion about their push; to corrupt the farmers – to sequestrate CO2 on the farm – to ”save the planet” ==== more CO2 in the ground = bigger bio-mass crops after 6months – farmers collect the corn and sunflower seeds -> the bio-mass is shredded on the ground = 1 month after rain, fungi release the same CO2 back into the air. Only benefit is; as:the propaganda: the phony global warming is for real -> they are wasting big millions, to prevent it…? Even after they are exposed, they continue; because for the Fake Skeptics, solid proofs are nightmare… Warmist don’t have mature oponents

    ABC is guillotining their own charter: ”doctrine of separation of power between National Broadcaster and a political party” is dead. SBS is the second Lefty Trumpet. The adds they get are: same as the one ”paint brushing the steam from the cooling towers; to look as a terrible CO2,
    Adds that private media wouldn’t approve off Bottom line: OZ ABC&SBS and Pom’s BBC, should employ couple of heterosexuals, for a change – let few heterosexuals to start worrying about the children, next generation and future of the country

    • Bruce says:

      Small example

      That was what I was alluding to when I mentioned ‘family company’. Conflict of interest in spades. I could give a link but I won’t.

      My personal experience with CSIRO people is that they can be technically competent but badly have ivory tower syndrome. Which is why scopes of work need to be written with care. You have to have worked in the real world to understand and the type of people CSIRO recruits are not those people. Other CSIRO people are just off with the fairies. One or two I can recommend, and I do this to customers in certain circumstances, but its like one good apple in a barrel of bad ones.

      ANSTO on the other hand are much better, and I would recommend anyone thinking of working with them. It helps that they already are on the wrong side of political correctness, being a nuclear organisation, so they have to be (a) careful and (b) competent. If they weren’t they would’ve died long ago.

  8. DirkH says:’You see it when they report about climate science – they have to this day never understood that the climate models are expensive junk and continue to deliver with dead”

    the name ”Der Spiegel” is the most appropriate – reflects the attitude / knowledge created by the electronic media. TV has much more influence / power in brainwashing, than newspaper. B] the more ”Climate Scientist” a country can afford = the more ”believers” every respective country creates.. the bad bi-product of success. When one has empty stomach and bills not paid; must wake up from that trans… future will not be boring

  9. DirkH says:

    kelly liddle says:
    November 25, 2012 at 3:10 pm
    “If you believe the first part of the comment then get real I think every country has one. ”

    I think you are referring to the assertion about Oz not having a constitution.
    Experts say it displays certain elements of a constitution…

    http://works.bepress.com/howard_schweber/2/

    Probably Oz also displays certain elements of protection of property (as I said- as an Urban Collectivist you might not actually run into many problems with that (as you don’t have a lot of property))…

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