From TownHall.
As I made clear last week, property destruction, violence, and dirty tactics have no place in American politics. That being said, it is slightly amusing when pro-Democrat criminals screw up and inadvertently target their own fellow partisans. This story comes from — where else? — California:
CBS2 and KCAL9 reporter Rob Schmitt spoke to Ken Slown, owner of one of the keyed vehicles. Slown actually supports President Obama! He explained to Schmitt that he and his wife — both currently unemployed — are staying with her parents and it’s her parents who support Romney. “I don’t know if they were trying to get a point across, to vote for Obama,” said Slown, “but to do something like this is not going to get the point across.” He estimates the damage to both of his vehicles at about $3,400. In addition to both cars being keyed, his wife’s vehicle had her seats slashed, as well. Said Slown, “They pretty much cut the backs of all of the seats.” A neighbor, who also has a Romney/Ryan sign in their front yard, were also hit. “Obama” keyed in the hood and on the black gate of an SUV.
So the unemployed victims support Obama, but they’re living with mom and dad, who back Romney. Perfect. I wonder if these Republican parents will generously help cover some of the property damage inflicted by their daughter and son-in-law’s political kindred spirits.
Nice people these Obama supporters are. Brownshirts are so cute when their angry. Children.
suyts space 
Actually, I was thinking this article is more representative. http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/30/michael-moore-moveon-org-video-features-dirty-mouthed-old-people-lambasting-republicans-romney/
They are emotionally immature, when the left side of the brain is neglected, it atrophies.
George Soros funded group obtains (somehow) personal banking information of maker of Obama documentary, “Dreams of My Real Father”. It’s being called hacking. But is it really necessary for George Soros to get a hacker to obtain any bank information? What big bank would he not have friends in high places at?
http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/dreams-filmmaker-my-bank-account-hacked/
Interesting no blog post here about Romney’s continued dishonesty on the campaign trail. New radio ad today pushing his lie that Chrysler/Jeep are shipping American jobs to China.
So obscene even Chrysler had to respond to the Romney lies. “It is a leap that would be difficult even for professional circus acrobats.” HA!HA!HA!
http://blog.chryslerllc.com/blog.do?id=1932&p=entry
Mr. Say Anything to be President is at it again!
In an email to the Detroit Free Press Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne felt it necessary to set the record straight… again?
“Together, we are working to establish a global enterprise and previously announced our intent to return Jeep production to China, the world’s largest auto market, in order to satisfy local market demand, which would not otherwise be accessible.”
We can’t ship cars to China? Sounds like American jobs going overseas to me.
“It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is. If the—if he—if ‘is’ means is and never has been, that is not—that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement. … Now, if someone had asked me on that day, are you having any kind of sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky, that is, asked me a question in the present tense, I would have said no. And it would have been completely true.”
What’s wrong ThePhD, you didn’t start the comment by saying hahahahahaha?
Ph, you should do a bit more digging. The facts are the head of Jeep stated he wanted to move to China and consolidate production. I was gong to write a post on this, but, I didn’t believe it worthwhile.
The reality is, Jeep is going to expand in China. Will they move the existing plant there? Yep. Now that Mitt publicized it, they will wait. I’ll bring you links if you can’t find them. Just ask.
PhdScientist, your discerning mind makes one marvel in amazement. Even the leftist WaPo fact checkers call the ad “correct”.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/10/30/WaPo-Rates-Romney-Jeep-Ad-Correct
Interesting comments here. Didn’t know that everyone was suddenly a left leaning protectionist. The ad itself based on Dirks link neither confirms or denies the ad being wrong and only points out that it is possible that it might be true, if read objectively. To call it shipping jobs overseas needs to prove that Jeep/Chrysler will produce less in the US and there is no information available to suggest this. The fact some left leaning media outlet would come up with a left leaning “protectionist” view is not a surprise and in no way makes the ad correct. If it was a Romney approved ad this should make you feel a bit more at ease PHD because Romney might be more of a leftie on trade issues than Obama should he win (at least that is the claim).
No to jump to Suyts assertion that they plan to do this. What exactly should be done about it then. Should Jeep/Chrysler be punished for possible future plans? Should a law be put in place to make them produce cars in the US? GM and Volkswagen would love this being 2 of the largest foreign car makers in China.
It is all hollow protectionist arguments on both sides of the fence let’s just hope on this issue it is only rhetoric unlike many other issues where hopefully it is not rhetoric.
In my view regarding any car maker moving out of the US completely, this seems unlikely. Car makers will want to have production facilities in countries where the costs are going down not only countries where costs are going up. The slide in the US dollar is likely to continue and for things like engineering and design the US would be ahead of China at the moment. Another potential risk is a trade war brought on by US and Chinese politicians. In this scenario you definately want production facilities in the 2 largest car markets in the world. So the more US politicians talk about China the more you would want a factory to be there.
As soon as China lets its currency be freely traded, I’ll call for free trade. As long as they manipulate their currency retaliatory tariffs are an option.
There is nothing left-leaning about this, Kelly, even if you pretend it. It’s about applying the same rules for all the market participants.
BTW, China manipulates in a multitude of ways, always with disastrous results. Two examples, they force foreign companies to enter a partnership with the communist state where the state owns at least 51%. Second, they prohibit their citizens from investing outside China, thus inflating a huge bubble.
In your opinion, we should accept everything they do; I know you are also against sanctions against Iran – so Iran and China can do what they want but if somebody points out their manipulations he is left-leaning? That’s a bizarre notion, and rejected.
Jeep is an American company and product. If they choose to ship jobs overseas rather than build here, it is what it is, outsourcing.
Dirk
The world is not fair and never will be and pragmatism says basically let things be. As an Australian if I don’t form this view which has created enormous wealth for our country I would be in denial and their is almost nothing we can do to fight any unfair trade practices by any major country anyway so I would go crazy if this was an issue to me. Romney and Obama are very left leaning in my opinion on this issue. To make it non-left leaning would be to make free trade of vehicles an issue. Their is also nothing fair about Germany having a devalued currency due to your neighbours. China is heading in the right direction though, even if it is slowly. The US is moving in the wrong direction and blaming China this is obvious. It is a diversionary tactic by the US politicians in my opinion and the main problems, US gov spending etc., banking regulations and general green and red tape (the main causes of the current US situation) have nothing to do with China.
“China manipulates in a multitude of ways, always with disastrous results” If that is the case let them fail.
Iran is a completely different issue about security not trade.
One more word about Germany devaluing its currency by carrying along the broke southern states:
This only gives us an advantage within the Eurozone. As the Euro freely trades against other currencies, it doesn’t give us an advantage when trading outside the Eurozone.
kelly liddle says:
October 31, 2012 at 5:14 am
“The US is moving in the wrong direction and blaming China this is obvious. It is a diversionary tactic by the US politicians in my opinion and the main problems, US gov spending etc., banking regulations and general green and red tape (the main causes of the current US situation) have nothing to do with China.”
Since 2000 the amount of missing jobs in the US exploded, perfectly in unison with the trade volume with China. It has everything to do with China.
““China manipulates in a multitude of ways, always with disastrous results” If that is the case let them fail.”
There is nothing I can do about it. China is plundered by its own corrupt leaders.
You compare the way Germany devalues its currency with the Chinese manipulation. This is not the same. By pegging their exchange rate to the USD, which is a currency as weak as the Euro, the Chinese hang on to the US, always making sure they stay cheaper than the US. If I were the US, I would consider this a rather unfortunate state of affairs, and introduce retaliatory measures to protect my industries. Assuming I am not a president whose campaign is financed by the Chinese.
As Australia has no manufacturing industry to protect, I understand that this is of no concern to you.
You accurately pegged the sentiment in the US. It is understandable that Kelly doesn’t have the same response because China isn’t gaining jobs at the expense of Australian jobs. How much would the Yuan be worth if it was allowed to properly float? Would there continue to be a jobs exodus to China? I doubt it.
Dirk
Don’t worry we do our protectionist things to protect steel and car makers. But for the most part we have allowed industries to fail, that is why we don’t have them and so has the US I think with regard to manufacturing. Allowing inefficient industries to fail or become efficient and succeed is one of the biggest thing a country can do to enhance the wealth of it’s citizens. Taxing successful industries to prop up the unsuccessful ones can never work long term. I am not altogether against tax breaks but am totally against handouts.
I wasn’t saying Germany’s behaviour is the same but that life isn’t fair. Australia can’t compete against any country on low to medium skilled wages as they far higher than the rest of the world. So the manufacturers that do exist here must be efficient or unfortunately get handouts.
Now just because Aus and US have very little manufacturing as a proportion of jobs compared to Germany does not mean it is not of concern. Using your logic it is of little concern to the US also, which I consider to be true. Australia is not on the graph but has a little bit less than US as percentage. The numbers are a little old but would not have changed all that much. http://www.economist.com/node/4462685
Kelly, interesting numbers. But they are misleading. Granted, the assembly line workers slowly vanish, but factories get ever more complex. New jobs in developing the machinery, their software, and the software for the finished products are created. Maintaining the factories. These are often outsourced jobs. They will not appear as direct manufacturing labor.
Actually, his ad said Fiat is building jeeps in China. Fiat has announced that. SO I guess the lies are all on you. The ad does not say Fiat is closing Jeep Plants in America and moving them to China. It correctly states what Fiat has stated – they are going to build Jeeps in China.
You should try to get the facts before making a fool of yourself.
You beat me to it. That’s all the ad states.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl77CapjzsA If this is the ad it does say that 15 000 jobs will be cut in the US and that means those jobs will be replaced in China by GM. This sounds misleading and assumes exactly the same productivity and level of technololgy. I would assume a new factory would have better technology and that the Chinese factory will be selling cars that could not have been sold by US production due to trade barriers in China. The tone of the ad is definately protectionist. The ad actually says nothing about Chrysler except they will produce cars in China. So have to take back a little of what I said and saying mandates will be reduced sounds good but no idea what that is supposed to mean. I suppose the CEO of the Chrysler group considers it a misleading tone regarding Jeep production which it is. The ad does imply that jobs will be lost in Jeep manufacture in the US.
Different ad Kelly. Hang on and I’ll get the Jeep ad. But, that ad was essentially true. GM did cut 15,000 jobs. GM does plan to expand production in China. Jeep is owned by Chrysler, which is owned by Fiat.
Actually, that ad (which Suyts correctly points out is not THE ad) says GM CUT (past tense) 15,000 jobs and plans to open new plants in China. Both are again true. As for the Jeep part, he again correctly states that they are going to “make” jeeps in China, it never says they are going to move production of jeeps to china, or even that they are going to cut jobs here when they start making jeeps in China.
As far the ad sounding protectionist, I agree. But then Chinese do not vote in American elections (at least not legally), so the ad is playing to American workers.