Clive Hamilton Thinks Climate Scientists Are Like Boy Scouts, Skeptics Like Marines


Clive is the Vice Chancellor’s Chair, Centre For Applied Philosophy & Public Ethics (CAPPE) at Charles Sturt University.  He writes in the The Conversation several gobsmacking hypocritical and reality denying statements.  In case you missed it, via a FOI request, UEA released some emails which had some horrid language and contained actual threats.  Now, I’ve my doubts about the veracity of these emails, but I’ll get to that in a minute. 

When the denial machine goes after climate scientists it is, as one of them said, like the marines going into battle against boy scouts. The brutality of the attacks has once again been confirmed by the release of some of the emails sent to Phil Jones, the University of East Anglia climate scientist at the centre of the “Climategate” storm.

I seriously doubt the veracity of those emails.  One of the emails specifically refer to the climategate emails as hacked.  Skeptics don’t term them in that manner.

……..Of course, the hate-speech coming from climate deniers is anathema to everything universities stand for. The abuse and threats have taken public discourse to a different level, something akin to the ferocity of the anticommunist crusades against intellectuals in the 1950s and 1960s.

You know, I’m sick of people whining about “the anticommunist crusades”.  They saved humanity.  Screw the cowardly closet communists and their sympathizers.   

…… In one of its more deplorable tactics The Australian has mounted a campaign to undermine the credibility of scientists’ claims about abuse and death threats. To this end Christian Kerr wrote a beat-up insinuating that ANU scientists had lied about the threats.

It turns out the insinuation wasn’t appropriately strong enough they did lie about the death threats.

….It turns out that climate scientists, innocently going about their research, have turned up a body of evidence that happens to challenge the conservative worldview, the world of “individual freedoms”, unfettered markets, corporate power and exploitation of nature, the worldview shared by both Rupert’s bunnies and the cyber-bullies.

  LMAO, if bunnies are bullies, the alarmists are what?  Cabbage plants?

It is frightening to think that the next Federal Government will in all likelihood be led by a climate denier. The boy scouts will be in for a real kicking then, this time an officially sanctioned one. In the end, of course, we will all feel the pain.

And when you Aussie friends do take control, would you give them a right and proper kick for me?


One of my responses to one of the whiners…..

Hello Alex, it’s so good to hear from you again……

Hey, I was just drawing the parallels…. if Clive wants to whine, I’ll show him something.  This garbage about “climate scientists, innocently going about their research…” is shown to be bunk.  And, pretending that skeptics haven’t been targeted for some of the most inhuman and mean spirited threats by alarmist scientists and their surrogates is straight out of the “rule book for radicals”.  It’s projection. 

Skeptics have been subjected to the most dehumanizing of efforts, from suggestions that we be recognized and treated (re-education camps), that skeptics be tattooed, that skeptics be gassed.   Remember the humorous skit “No Pressure”?  The list goes on and on.  Now the alarmists wish to be portrayed as victims?  That’s ludicrous. 

But, as far as advocacy and victims go, here’s some to show you……

We have seen entire populations displaced and killed.  We also see this wasn’t an isolated event.  We see communities stripped of their belongings and their women violated, their homes burnt down, in a seemingly systematic war on the most helpless of populations.  And, we see that this has continued unabated in all parts of the world.  From forced sterilizations to murder, to depraved indifference to the destruction of humanity. 

These atrocities are brought to you by……. Clean Development Mechanism,  the Nature Conservancy and the African Wildlife Foundation, New Forest Company (via Kyoto protocol), Department for International Development, and many others.  But, mostly because of the advocacy of the many people mentioned and not mentioned towards this climate alarmism.

You can find supporting material in these posts and articles.

Alex, my full disclosure…… no one pays me.  If you’d follow the links offered, you’d understand that I don’t need any more impetus to act than that.  I have a hard time gathering any sympathy for people who got some mean spirited emails.  Of course, it is questionable about who actually wrote these emails.  I question that any skeptics wrote them.  

Off to see about spheres and planes with reflective boundaries.  BBL!  Smile

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26 Responses to Clive Hamilton Thinks Climate Scientists Are Like Boy Scouts, Skeptics Like Marines

  1. Me says:

    Very nice work again, James. Keep it going!

  2. DirkH says:

    No no no, they’re not like boy scouts. They’re like Ninjas. The orthodox climate scientists – the climate modelers, the ones that hide behind their XBoxes, are shadow warriors. You never see them partaking in a debate. You can invite them, they don’t come. You can try to argue with Gavin Schmidt on realclimate, the moment the debate gets interesting, it vanishes (I never managed to, my words vanish on RC instantly, but Mosher allegedly once had more luck, so this is hearsay…).

    Shadow warriors. Even money that you give them vanishes, no matter what amount.

  3. gnomish says:
    SYDNEY—Australia reported its economy was the fastest-growing in the developed world in the first three months of 2012,
    The strong GDP figure coincided with a report by Dow Jones Newswires that exports of coal from the major ports of Australia, the world’s largest coal exporter, bounced in April to a level 14% above that of a year earlier.

    • DirkH says:

      “Strong consumer spending” – read property price bubble. Run for cover.

    • suyts says:

      They’re in a better position than most. I think with their soon-to-be change of govt., they’ll remain in a better position than most. They should diversify. Coal to China only works as long as China needs their coal.

    • Bruce says:

      Not a property bubble, prices are off their highs and home loans are down about 9% so far this year (IIRC).

      But it is an investment bubble. GDP growth was almost entirely due to mining investment.

      House prices are high here in Oz, but that is because building houses has been short of population growth for decades. Taxes, red tape and nimbyist opposition.

      Its supply & demand keeping house prices high, with high wages helping to drive the demand. Again because of the mining boom. Unlike historic mining rushes now the workers live where they want and commute by ‘fly-in-fly-out’. I lady I know lives here in Newcastle and commutes to work in Laverton in WA (think live in NC and commute to Vegas for the US equivalent). I was on a Jetstar flight back from Perth a few months ago and the plane was full of guys in fluoro jackets. So mining money buys houses all around Australia – and not just business people. Tradies can get $150,000/y or more. (note $A1 = $US1 today) So a lot of ordinary people are able to work a few years in the mines and pay off their mortgages even though Oz houses have a median price over half a million.

      • suyts says:

        Take care to make sure they learn from our mistakes. Housing and land bubbles suck! The mining goes a long way. This is how wealth is created.

      • DirkH says:

        I’d rent a shack, stash away the money and wait til I can buy the half a million house for a fiver.

        • Bruce says:

          Aren’t any. Rents are high too. Significantly higher than interest on a loan, and we don’t have tax deductible mortgage interest. Rental vacancy rate here is 1.3%…just aren’t enough houses available. Empty they last a day or two before they get snapped up. Same everywhere except Tassie, which is run by a Greens-ALP government with predictable result.

        • suyts says:

          That sounds horribly familiar. I pray it will work out better for you guys than it did us. Australia is in a much better position at the moment. One of the best in the world! The next election!

          The globe itself isn’t in such a good position. I think there’s a storm coming, but I also think Australia is in a very good position to weather it.

        • Bruce says:

          We don’t have tax deductible mortgage interest
          No equivalent of Fannie and Freddie
          No off balance sheet vehicles (last one was wound up in March at NAB)
          No ninja loans
          No hand-your-keys-to-the bank…we’re liable for every dollar if we take a mortgage

          About the worst I can think of is some loans have started again to be written at 95% of the price. But that will not be to no hopers, it’ll only be to the top creditworthy borrowers.

          The US housing policies before the GFC were a bucket full of nitroglycerine on the back of a donkey on a rough road. We had a shaky time in the early ’90’s recession here, after which the regulator APRA tightened things up.

          I keep a close eye on such things as I invest in bank shares on our ASX. Risk is fine if you are sufficiently wary. Wouldn’t work for you guys though (investing on our ASX) because of the exchange rate risk.

      • suyts says:

        Well, that’s only if ……. they could bail out those “too big to fail”, in which case the price of land and houses would artificially stay high. This would screw the person who thought about the future and acted responsibly.

        • Bruce says:

          The Oz banks are 4 of the top 21 in the world. We only have 4 big banks and a few tiddlers. The big 4 all have ratings around AA- and core tier 1 capitals of 9-10% already. If Basel III came in tomorrow they wouldn’t care.

          About the only thing that will stuff us up is if China melts down in a bad way: real 1917 revolution bad. Otherwise the existing Chinese demand will suck up what we make and keep unemployment in check. Only if unemployment goes really really bad (currently its 5%) might there be a problem, but people are in good shape because the GFC and now the Greek thing have frightened the socks off so much that Aussies have been paying down mortgages as fast as they can.

          On the other hand if you guys melt down Greek-style then we’re all stuffed. But you’ll stop that by voting the Big O out of office….won’t you?

        • suyts says:

          Yes, yes, and yes. As stated, you guys are in a very good position. And, as stated, China is key for you guys. I think this will continue for at least the next 7-10 years. After that, China has problems. (this could change sooner, but I don’t think it will)

          As far as I can see, there are only two countries positioning themselves properly. Australia, and Canada. But, both are tied to countries which must, and will, change soon. Germany is trying, but, she’s weighted down. Britain is insulated to a point, but, she’s not moving in a proper direction. Well, she’s not moving.

          Obama will go away, and that will help, immensely. But, there needs to be a fundamental change. I’m not sure this will take place with Romney. Market people are market people.

          It could be that lessons get learned soon, but, I’m not optimistic. China, Australia, and Canada have shown how wealth gets created, but I don’t think anyone is watching.

  4. Bruce says:

    In March, Pointman said it like it is:

    Every one of the skeptics was a lone volunteer guerilla fighter, who needed absolutely no logistical support of any kind to continue the fight indefinitely. The alarmists never understood this, preferring to think that there simply had to be some massive hidden organisation orchestrating the resistance.

    So now our massive hidden organisation is the USMC. Oh. Except since like you they wear green and want to run on algae, I’d say Prof Hamilton, that you may just have it backwards.

    Apologies to the USMC who I admire greatly, except for the batty algae stuff.

  5. philjourdan says:

    The “crusades” that went after the intellectuals were the Communist Crusades (Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot), not the anti-Communist ones.

    But never trust a religious zealot to speak the truth. They have to rewrite history to conform to their zealotry (Note for the quick to snap: religious zealotry is not the same as regular religious folks).

  6. gator69 says:

    “I seriously doubt the veracity of those emails.”

    I too question the authenticity of the email in question. Isn’t it odd that the only person to ever receive death threats from a skeptic, received so many? And who has been arrested?

  7. suyts says:

    Hmm, it seems I’ve been banned from commenting at the Conversation. But, I haven’t got any notification.

  8. Federal Government will in all likelihood be led by a climate denier

    Heavens! A “climate denier”!

    Q: Have you at any time been a Climate or colluded with a Climate?
    A: I did not even touch a Climate. I ran away. I told an adult.
    Q: Aha! So you admit that a Climate exists!
    A: I deny having heard about or known about a Climate during the time-period specified in the original affidavit.
    Q: No further questions.

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