By now, we’ve all seen the historic NOAA graphic about how even 1979 had a greatly diminished ice extent compared to the 1950s and seemingly back in perpetuity before then…….
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/images/ice_extent.gif
And, we’ve all seen the hysteria created by the ever shrinking polar cap……….
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=8126
Clearly, the 1979-2000 median minimum, is less than what 1979 would have been. And, clearly, the 1979 minimum would have been much less than what the prior to then starting about about 1950. This should mean that the islands circled should have been entirely engulfed by ice…… for thousands of years, if we are to believe the lunatics.
So, how was this map possible?
For a great zoom, go here….. http://usm.maine.edu/maps/sites/default/files/daronson/exhibition/exhibition-image/1-7.jpg
The Arctic Regions From the Admiralty Chart of 1875
Illustrated Newspapers (publisher) The Arctic Regions From the Admiralty Chart of 1875 engraving
Courtesy of the Osher Map Library and Smith Center for Cartographic Education at the University of Southern Maine, OML-1875-29 Image: 15.006
They probably used satellite imagery or sonar detection or some such…… Maybe they dug through all of the ice to find the land…… maybe they just got lucky and guessed that these were islands…. though we don’t see them guessing with Greenland. There are liars, there are damned liars, and then there is NOAA.
Perhaps someone can carry the ball a little further than I have. But, they’d better hurry, there’s a lot of information getting shoved down the memory hole.
suyts space 
wait wait wait….you just reminded me of something
There’s some island up there….that was recently discovered to be two islands….they were covered in ice/snow and connected, so they thought it was only one island…..so they changed their name to two islands……only there’s some old chart that shows them as two islands and two names already
Does that ring a bell???….I can’t remember where I read it now
lol, yes it rings a bell….. no, I don’t remember where either. 😦
The Vikings charted the islands around Greenland.
you mean the “warming island” story?
BTW, this is excellent detective work!
Thanks, I’ve become completely frustrated in finding the data behind the IPCC and CIA works in the regular cli-sci sites. Which is highly unusual. Usually, I can birddog obscure data with a little work. But, there have been times when I know information has been erased by the weasels, and I have to find other avenues. In this case, I think cartography is our best shot at getting to the truth. I didn’t find exactly what I was looking for, but this is a bit of a gem. Especially the Prince Patrick island. 🙂
There’s no way they delineate the island, with the technology they had then unless it was ice free, or very nearly ice free for a time.
Is this what you’re thinking of, Lat?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uunartoq_Qeqertaq
Yep, that’s it!
YES! and I found it too……and I want you guys to check and see if you see what I see….I see it on Jame’s old map…..
Warming Island
open this link and go to the map they provide, clink on it, pay attention to the orientation, north is pointing about at 10am……..
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/16/science/earth/16gree.html?pagewanted=all
Then blow up Jame’s 1875 Admiralty Chart ……. Unless I’m crazy, I see Warming Island clear as a bell, and it’s an island……………
I can’t speel with more than one window open…………
It doesn’t have the 3 fingers, but clearly, there’s an island noted where Greenland jut’s out on the east.
Go here for Pat Michaels’ post on this in 2008. http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2008/03/31/warming-island-another-global-warming-myth-exposed/
Looking at Pat’s…..seems they mapped Liverpool Land as an island….which really screws things up…because if they mapped it as an island…that’s means even less ice
Yes, less ice and perhaps less water. They aren’t the same, but they are islands mapped in nearly the exact spot. I’m wondering about plate shifting or something of that nature.
Much to recent.
lol, yes, yes it is…..
The viking mapped the shore line and islands when they settled there and some of those maps were produced later. I was reading about the settlement of Vinland and that mentioned the mapping, I think, or it was another tale. The person that would know is Tony Brown, but I have not seen him on any of the sites recently. Of course i have not been visiting much other that here and RS
I saw some much older maps, but the distortion of the mapping made them useless. That’s the problem with the Arctic. Mapping, and even navigating, when that far north presents a lot of problems…… even today.
The north pole, magnetic north, and the northern star, when you’re up that far, they don’t always take you home.
James, what is that dotted circle straight down from the “L” in pole, on the old map…
…that’s the way charts show shoals, reefs, etc
I can’t make out the name, but it is dated July, 1827. I’m assuming something Nordic.
Hmm, maybe Parry’s most northern expedition, instead.
Looks like “Parry’s farthest” and “July 1827”
lol, I just emailed Pat Michaels, and there he is on WUWT……
I hunted down as many charts as I could…..the only way they could map Liverpool Land like that…is if it were clean
Liverpool Land has a glacier feeding into it….that would have had to have been melted
I’m wondering about geological activity changing shape of some of these things.
Don’t think so….for two reasons
The earthquake maps show activity way south of there….and even a major earthquake would not move it enough that a glacier couldn’t keep up….
Here’s the melt map..and it shows almost all of the melt right there
Kevin thinks what?
There’s a couple of other things to notice about this map. Notice the parts of Greenland they did map, and the parts they didn’t. Then, look how the cartographer delineates what he “thinks” vs what he “knows”. Look at Prince Patrick island. It’s fully delineated with a dark line encircling the island.
This suggests to me, that the arctic ice was, 1) less than what it was in 2007, and 2) the typical ice formation has shifted. Today’s ice extends much further west than what it did, for at least a season or two…… long enough for the cartographer to make such an affirmative statement about Prince Patrick.
hey Goofy….there’s something else to notice too
The NorthWest Passage is charted out………LOL
Now, if no one knew where the NWP was, how did they chart it out exactly?
lol, yeh….. I think they knew it was possible by the shifting ice….. but knowing they could make it through the ice would be a different thing.
Nope…look at a recent chart of the NWP
That has to be a trip that someone actually took.
The real NWP cuts in behind Banks Island. They show a hook turn around the outside of Banks. That’s the way someone would go, if the didn’t know the cut south of Banks was deep enough, or if it was frozen over…..
Someone had to have gone through the entire NWP and mapped their course…in order to have produced that map….with that route plotted out
Who is Robert McClure? 🙂
ah ha!
Did you read all of that? Lots of references to open water, he missed it because he decided to over winter in the bay………..
Yes, it’s very illuminating.
can you get Steve’s blog this morning??
…I’m getting ‘forbidden’ and a 405
I’m getting an error “403”, something about port 80…..maybe their mucking with the security settings on the server.
We’ve been banned!…………………..LOL
lol, yeh, we’re too radical…..
It’s back…………..I’m just paranoid……….LOL
It’s gone again….
Can’t be a wordpress problem…you’re wordpress too
There is this work from Mahoney which also shows different result for the russian sea ice in the first part of the 20th century contradicting the NOAA graphic:
Click to access Mahoney_2008_JGR_20thC_RSI.pdf
Thanks Lars….. another piece of evidence showing that NOAA is lying to us.
I’ve been reading……did a search for whaling history arctic…..There’s no way the NWP was not open….American whalers went up and around Alaska to the Beaufort, following the whales….where they met whalers from Europe in the Beaufort…that had followed the whales from the other end…..if both ends were open….
Then later…during the civil war…..some confederate ship went up there and captured 22 New England whaling ships….burned 20 of them…and took the prisoners to San Francisco to put them in jail……
Unless that confederate ship sailed around South America….it went through the NWP
Been doing a bit of reading myself, including this :
http://www.akhistorycourse.org/articles/article.php?artID=64
Here’s the “money” quote :
“British explorers searched most actively for the Northwest Passage for the British Crown had-offered a prize of 20,000 pounds sterling to the discoverer. In 1826, Sir John Franklin drew up an ambitious plan to send a fleet of ships north of Alaska and Canada through unexplored waters. One group would search from the east; the other from the west. Sir John himself led the eastern approach from the Atlantic-Ocean. Captain Frederick W. Beechey of the British Royal Navy sailed H. M. S. Blossom on the westward leg through the Bering Sea. He hoped to join Franklin somewhere on the arctic coast.
The arctic ice pack stopped Beechey near Icy Cape. His crew worked a boat from the Blossom through leads in the ice pack to Point Barrow. Ice forced Franklin to turn back to the Atlantic Ocean several hundred miles to the east of the waiting Blossom . Franklin had reached and named Prudhoe Bay.”
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In other words, Franklin made it all the way from the Atlantic Ocean to Prudhoe Bay and back again (in a single year?), and it was only ice along the Alaskan coast between Prudhoe Bay and Barrow which prevented him from meeting up with Beechey.
That should make Kevin O’Neill’s head explode (:-
I’ll post this on Steve’s site, I’m sure he will enjoy…….
Nice find Any….
I can later….right now I was just mesmerized by reading
Lat, You got names and dates we can follow up on?
..insert comment here
Here’s one I was reading….I’m going back through history to find them…
http://explorenorth.com/library/yafeatures/bl-whaling.htm
Whoops. Upon further review, Franklin “cheated”. Carried his boats overland from Hudson Bay to the McKenzie delta. LOL!
http://www.biographi.ca/009004-119.01-e.php?BioId=37516