Outrageous? No, Self-Evident

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Well, in an earlier post, I alluded to the automatic arguments that we’ll see in the near future, if all of them haven’t already been made. 

HuffPo has this on the their “front page”.

Huckabee Makes Outrageous Remarks After Massacre

The article doesn’t explicitly state what HuffPo deems as outrageous.  It’s left to the reader to discern.  Let’s see if we can’t pick up on what HuffPo thinks is outrageous.

Here are the two quotes from Huckabee, a former (?) preacher, which HuffPo gives us.

“We ask why there is violence in our schools, but we have systematically removed God from our schools,” Huckabee said on Fox News. “Should we be so surprised that schools would become a place of carnage?”

“We don’t have a crime problem, a gun problem or even a violence problem. What we have is a sin problem,” Huckabee said on Fox News. “And since we’ve ordered God out of our schools, and communities, the military and public conversations, you know we really shouldn’t act so surprised … when all hell breaks loose.”

I want to pause here.  I don’t wish this post be about beliefs.  It isn’t what I want to talk about at the moment.  I want to talk about teaching. 

While Huckabee doesn’t specifically state what he’s referencing, we can take inferences. 

Most Americans, whether they realize this or not, get their moral base from the teachings of the Bible.  When one references “God” in the US, it typically conjures God worshipped by Christians.  This is the basis of our mores and ethos in Western Civilization.  We derive our understanding of right and wrong by the teachings of Christianity.  It is true that other religions have some similar teachings, but, that isn’t where Western Civilizations derive their mores. 

What I’m saying is, while it certainly helps to believe the teachings of the Bible to be divinely inspired, it isn’t necessary to understand the morality of the teachings. 

Don’t murder, don’t steal, treat people as you wish to be treated.  Understand that there are consequences to actions.  Be responsible to yourself and others.  That life is sanctified and precious!  Your actions, words, and deeds affect others.  These and much more are the teachings of God.  When we remove God from public discourse, we are removing these teachings and replacing them with a relative morality based on current thought and events.  It is an erosion by lack of reinforcement.

Can anyone argue against these teachings?  Wouldn’t it be preferable to what we have today?  Is it outrageous to make these assertions?  I’m certain there’s room for discussion, but, outrageous?   I think it a reasonable and rational observation. 

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8 Responses to Outrageous? No, Self-Evident

  1. leftinbrooklyn says:

    ‘What I’m saying is, while it certainly helps to believe the teachings of the Bible to be divinely inspired, it isn’t necessary to understand the morality of the teachings.

    Don’t murder, don’t steal, treat people as you wish to be treated. Understand that there are consequences to actions. Be responsible to yourself and others. That life is sanctified and precious! Your actions, words, and deeds affect others.’

    Yes. Whether one chooses this to be from their God or not, they should follow it.

    • suyts says:

      Yes, and reinforced throughout our society, not banished from our society.

      • leftinbrooklyn says:

        As I’ve aged, I’ve changed my viewpoints some from Man’s traditional views on God, but whatever He is, He would agree with your above statement. And though my views on Him have changed, my agreement with that has not.

  2. Latitude says:

    Take away heaven and hell…and you take away rewards and consequenses…
    But then we already have laws that cover all of that…murder is against the law

    This kid was messed up…messed up people have always been with us…and messed up people don’t care about God or laws….

    There’s two things that drive me crazy whenever something like this happens…
    …what’s wrong with kids/society today (like all the kids in the world just did this)
    and gun control!
    Think of all the people in this country that have guns…and didn’t do this!

    We can never, and will never be able to protect ourselves from everything…
    …and we will never be able to legislate it away
    Makes as much sense as closing the Post Office because of the Unibomber and anthrax……..

  3. gator69 says:

    IMHO it is modern societies pell mell race away from traditional values and morals. The family unit and the church were the basis of society of thousands of years, but in just the last fifty years, we have done our best to remove the emphasis on both. This leaves many people in our society without the necessary connections needed to care for one another.

    We also “feel” too much today, and miss opportunities to solve problems because we “feel” they are difficult and messy. Holding people accountable for their actions, and assigning appropriate punishment is not fun or a “feel good” endeavor. Society needs to put on its’ big boy pants and act like the adults that we are, because sadly most of our society has turned into over grown and overstimulated children. We have retarded the maturity of individuals, and given adults time and excuse to misbehave.

    Once upon a time, parents were allowed to deal with their own problem children, but now the state demands parenting rights as well, diluting the real parents’ authority. We have forgotten that we are CREATED equal, and that actions after our creation effect our equality. We coddle criminals and excuse bad behavior.

    Tough love is what we need. And a return to what works instead of these idealist fantasies of Heaven on Earth, and eternal childhood.

    There is so much to be discussed on this issue, that I am just going to stop here for now, I don’t have time to write my thesis this morning. ;)

  4. philjourdan says:

    Huckabee committed 2 crimes. He referenced God, and he did not blame guns.

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