As we all know by know, president Obama has asserted executive privilege over some documents congress wants to look at. Meaning, they don’t get to look at them. They’re likely to be different than the documents given to Congress by the Justice Dept. on the issue of the Fast and Furious debacle. Because, today, they’ve retracted a second statement on this issue.
I really haven’t written anything about this, because it shouldn’t have been such a big deal. Or, at least that’s what I thought. It was an idiotic thing to do, and it is likely that if we turned over enough rocks, we’d find some seriously corrupt people. But, the problem is U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry, was killed with guns tied to the Fast and Furious gun walking operation. So everyone went into CYA mode. And, they’ve lied. Repeatedly.
What should have happened is that Attorney General Eric Holder should have danced, obfuscated, misdirected, and then when all was said and done, found some lower level underling to throw under the bus. We get our sacrificial lambs and everyone goes home happy. This is the way it’s worked for a very long time.
But, this is different. There’s more to the story. I don’t have any idea what it is, but there’s more to the story. Watch this member of congress. This is it in a nutshell.
Executive privilege is suppose to be for an extraordinary instance where U.S. national interest takes precedence. Now, it seems political interests takes the place of national interests.
Here’s Obama, being against executive privilege before he was for using it.
You know, there’s been a tendency on the part of this administration to — to try to hide behind executive privilege every time there’s something a little shaky that’s taking place. And I think, you know, the administration would be best served by coming clean on this. There doesn’t seem to be any national security issues involved with the U.S. attorney question. There doesn’t seem to be any justification for not offering up some clear, plausible rationale for why these — these U.S. attorneys were targeted when, by all assessments, they were doing an outstanding job. I think the American people deserve to know what was going on there.” —-Then Senator Barack Obama(CNN’s “Larry King Tonight,” 3/20/07)
I’m still not sure what’s going to come of all of this. Probably nothing except political black eyes. At times, the wheels turn very slow in Washington, Obama is likely to be voted out of office and there’s a tradition to sort of forgive past transgressions after the administration is swept out of office. But, this might change with the president invoking his privilege. It is now guaranteed that there will be some very interested parties wanting a peek at the documents. Even after this administration leaves.
Likely to be voted out of office huh? How about this Nostradamus?
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/06/20/poll-shows-obama-with-big-national-lead/
Lol, thanks, I was waiting for another poll to dissect! Try reading this…. http://suyts.wordpress.com/2012/05/23/oh-nos-obama-is-winning/
It’s about how some of these polling groups weight things. Here’s one from HuffPo, taking Gallup to task for being correct. Turns out being correct isn’t PC…..http://suyts.wordpress.com/2012/06/17/the-lefts-overwhelming-preoccupation-with-race-and-why-their-polling-sucks/
BTW, love the sarcasm, its a good fit here. This race is Romney’s to lose, but I wouldn’t expect many to buy into that right now.
I don’t believe in polls either. I just really wanted to show that one showing Obama with such a huge lead over Romney. Only because I know you’re a staunch conservative disguised as an independent libertarian
And because it’s sure to get PhilJourdan’s panties in a ruffle! LoL
Agreed going after his wife for MS therapy is dumb. Something that’s also dumb, the Republican’s in Florida maliciously trying to DETER minority voters, who coincidentally overwhelmingly vote Democratic (big surprise there!) You have to watch the interview with John Oliver and John Fund really illuminates what this is all about! Funny how comedy can be more accurate than the regular news sources…
Yeh, is there any evidence that it isn’t an effort to actually rid the rolls of improper voters and to secure the democratic process?
In my view, there’s nothing more harmful to a free society than a corrupted democratic process.
Ah, you still are totally clueless. If you ever read a single post of mine, you would actually find out how ignorant you are. But alas, I gave up long ago teaching you English Comprehension, so I allow you to wallow in your ignorance.
As John Oliver aptly said “the amount of voter fraud is only limited by your imagination!”
P.S. See suyts this is why I come here! To use the words of PhilJourdan – it’s those ad hominem attacks! LoL… He thou dish it, but not taketh! What fun is it if I just stuck to posting on those “liberal intellectual” websites where everyone basically agrees with me.
Yes *intellectual* thrown in there to offend…Me loving the fact that’s it’s used in a derogatory way against liberals, while simultaneously offending the red shirts who think they’re being called dumb…
Lol, okay….. how about a fiscal conservative with libertarian leanings socially? Naw…. I hate saying that! It’s become too cliche.
I did see this chart the other day, though. Think it’s a year old, but pretty amazing. Perhaps this is why some American’s don’t feel so connected to Romney or that he’s out of touch with the commoners?
http://www.motherjones.com/files/outofbalance.pdf
It’s a difficult argument to make. Seeing that we’re being asked to choose between two millionaires. Personally, I’d relate more to Romney than Obama, because of their respective work histories.
It does seem, though, that there is a small part of the populous which seems to resent his success as a businessman. I’m not sure I understand all of that, but its seems to be there for some.
Yeah, don’t forget his wife rides horses.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/06/20/Cavuto-To-MSNBC-Lean%20Forward–Bend-Over-You-Condescending-Sanctimonious-Horses-Asses
Lol, I hadn’t seen Cavuto get that worked up before! I keep trying to remember to check in on him from time to time.
Woops this was meant to go here…
Agreed going after his wife for MS therapy is dumb. Something that’s also dumb, the Republican’s in Florida maliciously trying to DETER minority voters, who coincidentally overwhelmingly vote Democratic (big surprise there!) You have to watch the interview with John Oliver and John Fund really illuminates what this is all about! Funny how comedy can be more accurate than the regular news sources…
ThePhDScientist says:
June 21, 2012 at 5:38 am
“Funny how comedy can be more accurate than the regular news sources…”
Unfortunately they won’t let me watch that outside the US. Can you give me a synopsis?
Dirk try this? It’s so much more hilarious actually watching it, if you can…
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/13/1099613/-Jon-Stewart-blasts-Rick-Scott-over-Florida-voter-purge
“Dirk try this? It’s so much more hilarious actually watching it, if you can…”
Thanks. Hmm…Ahh, you see, here in Germany we have voter ID requirement, and nobody ever complained – we would probably complain if it were dropped – and most Germans are socialist by American standards, go figure. Yet we don’t want illegals here nor do we want them to vote. Now you might ask why is such a relatively progressive and enlightened people – I’m not talking about me as I’m more of a reactionary speculant as you know, I’m talking about my more enlightened fellow citizens – why are they AGAINST illegal aliens? Well, they see them as price breaking competition in the jobs market, that’s all.
I found O’Keefes exploits much funnier than this Daily Show guy, BTW. He was offered ballots multiple times at multiple locations. It looks like voter fraud is really easy to do in the USA. You might want to fix that some day. That Florida registration law looks more like a stopgap measure. But maybe necessary for the moment.
For another perspective/update, here’s a link to Spero News:
http://www.speroforum.com/a/MSMKPXOKCL58/72887-Attorney-General-inadvertently-accused-Bushera-official-of-involvement-in-Fast–Furious
Yeh, I’d seen that……”inadvertently”….. oops I didn’t try to deflect, it just comes natural!
I guess a new definition of “inadvertent” enters our dictionary!
Concerning “fast and furious” how long will any justice take? If this was about a conservative the MSM would have produced far more action by now. Also I read somewhere that many Mexican citizens died from these rifles. if so the “national security issue” may well be protecting the US from Mexico’s wrath over the liberal desire for gun control exceeding any desire to prevent Mexican deaths.
There may be something to that “National Interest”
I was especially amused by the juxtaposition of Obama and Nixon’s faces on Drudge. I am sure that is going to make the liberals apoplectic.
Lol, no doubt!
You and Jer are on the same page again this morning…….read the two articles he has posted
Lol, not surprising…. but, I’m waiting for the SCOTUS decision today!
Doesn’t matter what this really is…or isn’t
It’s perception….
and the perception is, if you don’t have anything to hide
Exactly, I’m not sure what’s in all of this, but if it is as presented, then Justice should have simply stated, we screwed up, sorry, and then gone on.
the funniest part…is they’re trying to spin it to make it a republican problem
The more they do that…the worse they look
Yeh, I’m not sure about the tactic of lying to congress and then retracting the statements several months later. But, these people aren’t very bright.
Well, you have the talking points down. However, most do not care if either candidate are green martians. What they do care about is if they can “fix” the problems. Obama has demonstrated he is incapable of doing so. Romney is the unknown. And that is why Romney is leading in the competent polls.
Just not the polls of “someone you’d like to sit next to on a plane” or “someone who understand the problems you’re facing”…
No, the polls of competent pollsters. The ones that actually get it right (and their track record proves it).
Believe in your myths. It will at least keep you pacified while Obama destroys his own candidacy.
U.S. CEOs less optimistic about economy
Economic Report
Business Roundtable says companies expect to spend, hire less
June 20, 2012|Jeffry Bartash, MarketWatch
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The leaders of America’s largest companies are turning more cautious about the U.S. economy’s growth prospects.
The Business Roundtable on Wednesday said chief executives expect to spend and hire less over the next six months than they previously planned. The group’s economic outlook index fell to 89.1 in the second quarter from 96.9 in the first quarter — the first decline in nine months.
Top executives are increasingly worried about potentially big changes in U.S. tax and spending policies in 2013— the so-called fiscal cliff — as well as the spillover effects of the financial crisis in Europe.
The Roundtable’s chairman, Boeing (US:BA) CEO Jim McNerney, said all the uncertainty is causing “paralysis” among businesses as the end of the year approaches. Some are even cutting jobs until they have a clearer idea of how the fiscal cliff and European crisis will be resolved.
“”We are being forced to trim employment in some places. A number of companies are doing that,” said McNerney, who is also a member of President Obama’s council on jobs.
http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012-06-20/economy/32326509_1_companies-spending-fiscal-cliff
They’re on a holding pattern until the elections, unless something major happens.
just like the housing market and everything else……..
I have been taking your ad hominems from the get go, so that statement of yours is another lie. Indeed, you have yet to post a single true statement about me. And when challenged to back up your lie, you run away as a coward.
Now, you may think that coward is an ad hominem. It is not. It is an accurate description of a person that is afraid to answer a challenge. You were challenged – as you challenged me. I answered your challenge, you have never answered mine. Hence you are a coward.
Second, stupid is a pejorative and an ad hominem. Ignorant is not. But you are too ignorant to understand that, so you perceive that I am using ad hominems at you, when indeed, all I am doing is merely describing your state of knowledge as displayed here. You are more than welcome to prove that discription false, but to date, you have failed to do so. Going so far as to be pwned by a child.
As for making derogatory statements about liberals, I freely admit that. But those again are not ad hominems, as I am not making them to you in our debate. You can (and have) call all conservatives mouth breathers – which is amusing and partially accurate, and that is not calling me one. Again, until you understand what ad hominem means, I would suggest you stop using the term. Your ignorance of the term, and misuse of it, makes you appear ignorant and childish.
Free advice for you. Unlike you, I do have compassion for those who are differently abled.
Haha big boy – i’m glad I get so much of your time!
Are you sure your not Gay,
because your comment above sounds gay….
Yea 10 seconds a week is a lot to you.
Perhaps I missed your post today on this recent, comprehensive investigative reporting from Fortune Magazine? Did you want to comment on it?
http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/
Lol, excellent! I’m putting some final thoughts on the issue now! It’ll be posted in a minute. I don’t address the story specifically, because that’s nothing but cover. It loses the plot, but, I’d be interested in another perspective.
I think this poster said it very well:
“If this article was a college research paper, it would have been shredded by the professor in front of the whole class. Selective “research” abounds, and the intent of the author just hours away from congressional action is obvious.” – OIFVet06
Right because it doesn’t fit within your political agenda, not because there is anything factually wrong with it. But really, that’s what you do, isn’t it big boy?
It has nothing to do with a political agenda or not. It has a lot to do with inserting opinion into news article. There is a reason the old newspapers had a “commentary’ section, where you could rant to your heart’s content.
That you failed to see that is not surprising. Nor is the fact that you cannot understand it. I have come to find that you are very ignorant in most common sense areas, and are always assuming where no evidence exists, or no need exists either.
If you are a scientist (doubtful, as I have never met any as ignorant), then you must be a climatologist since you shun the scientific method, instead opting mis assumptionsions based upon a political agenda.
And your pathetic attempts at ad hominems are not only amusing, but a sad testament to your lack of logic and intellect. I made a comment on your link, which means I paid you the courtesy of actually reading the article. My comment was on the article, not on you. Yet you did not have the intelligence to participate in a civil debate on the subject, jumping straight to erroneous assumptions, and pathetic ad hominems.
I cannot say I am surprised.
Oh big boy, haven’t you realized I lost respect for you a long time ago when you simply responded to all posts using your limited knowledge of latin phrases and then committed the ad hominem attacks you were accusing me of? That’s why I respond to you this way. You see while Suyts and I disagree on many things, we can have a degree of intelligent debate with some mild jabbing and sarcasm. That’s why I kind of like the guy, even though I think he might be a little crazy…Are you now saying you’re ready for this adult-level of interaction, I’m not really convinced?..?
Yes, I thought it’d be nice if you’d mention this – at least to maintain the appearance of independence and not simply non-stop postings hoping to pain the POTUS in a negative light
Lol, oh , I just report things, the POTUS does that all by himself!
Yes and 1/2 the world is skeptical of global warming. You know they’ve got medicine to help with those delusions
LoL
And are those studies and opinion polls published in “Skeptic’s Weekly?”
No, simple observation. The U.S. polling is easily found. As is the U.K.’s. Canada, Australia, New Zealand…. (the English speaking world) and Germany. This is where most of the advocacy comes from .
China does have scientists write papers in support of such advocacy, but, we can clearly see where the government stands on this issue. Most Russian scientists laugh at us. Brazil essentially shut down the Rio conference. And India’s (semi English speaking) scientists have rebuked the IPCC on more than one occasion.
The rest of the world either holds their hands out for a gift as a reward for keeping their people in the dark, or they laugh at us as well. No one believes this stuff except for people who don’t have anything better to do than sit around and worry about stuff. Which, doesn’t amount to anything more than guilt for having the luxury of sitting around and worrying about stuff.
I would say that I’d much rather them apply themselves towards fields such as yours, but, I wouldn’t wish that group of imbeciles on any field of study, much less yours.
Are you taking it?
Yes, he is competent in his incompetence.
“paint”
By the way did you see the study about the Bonobos in Nature. I know you need a subscription for it so you can see some of the details here….http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/2012/06/19/the-better-bonobos-of-our-nature/
I love this, both because it’s sure to make the young earth creationists heads explode and because it’s just cool science
Uhmm, that was an interesting piece of literature. As you know, that topic isn’t my focus. Once we put this global warming nonsense to bed, I’ll probably venture in that direction. Clearly SA needs some help. I’ll try to summarize…….
Apes got a bad rap because people equated their violence with human violence…. or visa versa. But, it really wasn’t primitive ape/man’s violence. They were just prey and not predator…… it’s amazing that any species survived! (you should dwell on this for a minute)
Bonobos are clearly closer related to humans because they’re the more socially advanced of the Pan species. This is because they are less adaptive. Even though humans are the most adaptive. Now, this is very remarkable! All of the great apes are indigenous to that one area described, save for the “tree people”. It’s remarkable, because it’s quite implausible. From one common ancestor, came 4 species indigenous to the same location. I hope the paper found better science than the story told about it.
I was touched by the aside, “the more distantly related gibbon, the only ape with a consistently monogamous lifestyle, is in a separate taxonomic category.” …. which, of course, would put them more closely related to wolves than the rest of us philandering primates.
I’m sure the study conveys things in a different manner. But, that was a story with a narrative. That’s not science, that’s literature, it’s story telling.
Soon enough, we’ll have time to take a look.
From the article
“That later research showed these cases to be rare or exaggerated in the media didn’t seem to matter.”
In other words, a media-induced frenzy much like the CO2AGW frenzy today, with researchers, once seeing where the wind was blowing, hopping on the bandwagon, creating a positive feedback.
PhDScientist should take better care of what links he throws around because this might indeed be one of the more telling analogies.
The article doesn’t extend into a debate of eugenics with its tragic culmination. Let’s see whether CO2AGW can be put out of its misery before its consequences become equally tragic.
For some people it’s already too late.
Oh boys – I actually would prefer you read the Nature paper, but since none of you are actual scientists you probably cannot access it and thus I forwarded you the little commentary as it was an interesting read. Here is the link to the actual commentary describing the study and a link to the real study at the bottom of page…
http://www.nature.com/news/hippie-chimp-genome-sequenced-1.10822
Nowhere in my response did I even hint at respect. I merely pointed out that you attacked for no reason. Just as an animal would. Nor have you been able to answer my challenges of where I have used ad hominems, or any thing else you contend. In short, you are merely projecting your own inadequacies and puffing your chest out pretending to be coherent.
But since you are under a misconception, I will state it clearly so perhaps when you do learn reading comprehension, you will understand. I do not care to have the respect of racist bigots who make silly accusations and then cower from backing them up with any kind of substance.
In short, I do not care what you think. But that will not stop me from pointing out your numerous fallacies and faults. It is easy enough to do, and anyone with even a modicum of intelligence can see them for what they are.
A poor ignorant person trying to pretend he is something he is not. And getting angry when exposed for the fraud he is. You are amusing. And your insults worthless.